Update: The Saker shows us how it could have happened: (Saker)
A. -- The most well known OVSE man, Michail Bociurkiw, says he sees clear machine-gun holes in the fusillage.
B -- A german pilot sees holes in the cockpit that look exactlylike the holes that are produced by the guns you find on Ukraïnian jet fighters. Anti-tank guns that cause an explosion inside the plane, which also explains why the wreckage looks as it does.
C -- Villagers who saw the plane come down , also saw a jet fighter very near to it.
D -- The Russian civil-radar information shows that there was a jet fighter very close to MH17 at the moment when it lost speed and fell down from the sky.
For people who want to know the truth, this is rather convincing information.
Note: These four testimonies keep disappearing:
A -- The Canadians took the interview with Buciurkiw off the air. But the crucial 54 seconds is on youtube: ( Buciurkiw)
B -- Maximum hight for Ukrainian jet fighters was always 10.000 meters, on Wikipedia. It was recently changed to 7000meters. 'Specialists' say that the Jet Fighters cannot reach 10.000 meter with heavy loads. But the pilot Peter Hasenko ( see B) gives us a reliable source: certainly 10.000 meter, some even maximum 14.600 meters. See this blog: 'Debunked ?'
C -- The BBC doc was for some time on the BBC website, but then was taken off of it.
D -- I notified a local paper about the Russian Press conference on 21 july, which I had even translated for them. On 25 july I got this reply: "Onze correspondent in Moskou heeft deze verklaring al eerder tot zich genomen en komt tot de conclusie dat uw vertaling niet gaat leiden tot een verhaal. We kennen immers deze verklaring en zien geen nieuwe inzichten.
Desalniettemin hartelijk dank voor uw mail."
In short:" We know about the press conference. Your translation contains no new info for us. "
I went to a friend to check their paper newspapers of the last days, to see if they had written anything about it. They had written one statement in their 22 july paper: "Russian Ministry of Defense says: "There was not a Buk missile seen by us." I do not remember this statement form the pressconference, but it is possible. Why did this paper ( One of the Wegener regional newpapers) not tell us all of the facts? Why did they give us only a statement that contradicts the US info, which is widely promoted as 'true'. Just to make Russia look like a liar ?
The credibility of the opponents is very very low:
Maybe these 4 testimonies are not proof in itself, but the USA and Ukraïne HAVE all the proof they need in their hands to corroborate their story: ATC conversations with the cocpit, very high quality radar info from Ukraïne and from American ships in the Black Sea.
Also the Americans have a terrible track reckord as a source for truth: See below at **
The problem is: there are no critical Media anymore, so we are stuck with a PR machine that has made all people believe that Putinis guilty.
Here are the 4 testimonies:
In a Canadian documentary the most well known OVSE man at the place of the crash says this:
Question: What do you think we know about what happened to that aircraft,today, as compared to the first day when you came?
Michael Buciurkiw ( Canadian from Ukrainian heritage who was in Ukraïne many times before):
"There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that that have been pop ( put ?) marked. That look like machine gun fire. Very very strong machine gun fire. That has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else.
We have also been asked, for example “Have you seen any example of missile ?
Well no, we haven’t , and even if it is there,we don’t have those trained eyes to pick that up. But now there are experts here.. "
I will copy the Global Research article almost completely. I leave out the speculation of the pilot that the attack was meant to kill Putin.
No, if Washington speaks about a tragic mistake,iot could mean that they see no way in which to hide that it was a Ukraïnian jet fighter who did it. Something went wrong maybe?
Well it does not make any differece. 'The sheeple' will believe them that it was a mistake by a single Ukraïnian pilot. And the people will not be able to change their mood aboput Putin: 'After all: look how many bad thing he has done that were real: occupying Crimea etc."
Here is the aricle.
To see the cockpit foto in high resolution you must go to the original Global Research article. .
Here are the statements of 3 women who saw a fighterplane:
You can see the videop here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_R2NA1txc
The link on Global Research, fdoes not work anymore.
On another blog of mine: ( blog ) I have put the new, working link.
The women say: everybody saw it. But we did not hear from many witnesses thatthey saw it. Most people heard it.
Why was this? I think that the clouds were such that only if you have a hole in the clouds that leaves you to see the plane, you can see it. People that are 500 meters away don't see it.
So for these woman it was clear: they all saw it. They have no doubt. But other witnesses lookes and saw only clouds.
Here is a video of the clouds in the area , at the moment of the disaster. ( Look at the first seconds)
Here is the moment in the Russian press conference where they speakabout the jet fighter that appears on the radar screen , at the moment when the MH17 is going down. ( Video )
There is a blog if mine that gives the whole press conference, and some explanation. But it is mainly in Dutch: ( Blog )
There is uncertainty wheter the Ukraïne has a jet fighter that can reach the hight of 10.000 meter.
Some varieties of the SU25 seem to be able to do it.
The Russian press conference stated that they can.
I think that a kind of heat-seeking rocket maybe easier to hit the target than a machine gun. Bullets from a gun will not be searching their target. Or is the gun itself steerde by a robot? Is that possible.
Whatever the real explanation will be: the holes are there for everybody to see. They demand explanation. And they definitely are not shrapnel lauched by a BUK.
here is a critic: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/can-the-su-25-intercept-and-shoot-down-a-777/
I just found the answer to the question of the hight: the SU 25 can reacht 14.600 meters !
** Americans NEVER told the truth: ( I will put in the links later)
They have destroyed 3 countries in 11 years on the basis of lies:
- Irak. All the-solid evidence- of Colin Powel were deliberate lies. ( 'intelligence and facts were beiing fixed around the policy )
- Libya. There is no way that Ghadaffi was going to bomb his own people. ( Alan Kuperman, Forte )
- Syria. Sy Hersh and others have shown us that Assad diod not throw gas. Why would he commit suicide?
In Ukraïne the record is the same:
- Maidan snipers. Why would Yanukovichchase himself out after having reached an agreement? ( Umar Paet, Monitor )
- Odessa massacre. Why would the separatists attack and retreat and then kill their won people? ( Blog.)
BUT: IF YOU ÀLWAYS LIE, WILL THAT NOT WORK AGAINST YOU, IN THE END?
Here are some answers to that question:
- 95% of the people don't even hear that the lies were debunked.
- Those who hear about it, only hear it once: not enough times to change their 'general imporession.'
- Those who are real truth seekers have enough info if they find one very convincing truth. But then they still have to change their world-view. All their strongly felt believes ( like the believe that the jews were the powerless eternal victims) have to be changed. That process takes years. It cannot be done quickly.
- If you kill a person for the wrong reason, he will not get alive again.
Karl Rove knows that, and he says: 'Thats why we go on killing for the wrong reasons. And we win, and you loose.'
Here is what he exactly said:
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously (met wijsheid), as you will —we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."