Thursday, September 19, 2019

889 Enkele belangrijke updates. Magnitsky, Donmeh, Kalergi


Wegens tijdgebrek kan ik de artikelen nu niet verder uitwerken.


Bill Browder loog, zegt het Europese Hof voor de Mensenrechten:
Magnitsky wel degelijk terecht opgepakt.

https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/eu-court-ruling-destroys-bill-browders-ridiculous-magnitsky-lies/ri27683


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De joodse bewoiners van Thessaloniki waren de leverancioers van jonge Turkse politici die  een grote rol in Turkije hebben gespeeld.
( The French Conncetion had daar veel info over)

Nu schrijft men dat ze ook banden met de Saudi's hebben en met ...
2 Artikelen uit de Strategic Culture website over een beweging, de Dönmeh in Turkije, die zowel achter de revolutie van Atatürk, het vestigen van het Wahabisme en het huis Saoud zit, evenals hun zeer nauwe banden met het zionisme. Misschien meer voer voor Jan op zijn site.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-i/

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/26/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-ii/

Ik heb het op mijn beurt van ´Martin´, een reageerder op MoA.


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Peter Myers zeg dat Wikipedia onjuiste info brengt over Kalergie:



(5) Kalergi Plan - discrepancy at Wikipedia
- by Peter Myers, September 19, 2019

Wikipedia's page on Count Richard Nicolaus Coudenhove Kalergi, founder
of the EU, is at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

I first visited that page in 2017.

In 1925, Kelergi set out his ideas in a book called Practical Idealism
(Praktischer Idealismus). It envisaged mass immigration into Europe, and
the forming of a new, mixed-race European type similar to the Ancient
Egyptians.

However, the current Wikipedia page suppresses this, and instead calls
it a conspiracy theory.

It says:
{quote} Nazi criticism and propaganda against Coudenhove-Kalergi, and
his European worldview, would decades later form the basis of the racist
Kalergi plan conspiracy theory.[26]
Nazis considered the Pan-European Union to be under the control of
Freemasonry.[27]
{endquote}

But when I visited Wikipedia page on Kalergi in 2017, at the same
address (above), it contained the following quote from Kalergi's book
(which has since been removed):

{quote}
In his book Praktischer Idealismus (Practical Idealism), written in
1925, he describes the future of Jews in Europe and of European racial
composition with the following words:[45]

The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes
will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and
prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its
appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of
peoples with a diversity of individuals. [...]

Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will,
refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through
this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that
escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe.
Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of
nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when
Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish
emancipation.

  Coudenhove-Kalergi 1925, pp. 20, 23, 50

  Coudenhove-Kalergi, Richard Nikolaus (1925). Praktischer Idealismus
[Practical Idealism] (in German). Wien-Leipzig: Pan-Europa-Verlag.
UBR069031840355. Retrieved 2014-11-07.
...

This page was last edited on 1 September 2017, at 17:55.
{endquote}

I always save the timestamp at the bottom of a Wikipedia page.

That came in handy yesterday morning (Sept 18, 2019) - when I found the
quote from Praktischer Idealismus missing.

Wikipedia lets you look at previous version of the page, under Page
History. I went there, and found the version for the date & time I had
saved,  1 September 2017, at 17:55.

Lo and behold, the missing quote was there. You too can see it at

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi&oldid=798397873

So how is that this is deemed a Conspiracy theory?

(6) Kalergi Plan Conspiracy Theory - 'akin to Protocols of Zion'

Wikipedia recently added a new webpage on Kalergi, called "Kalergi Plan"
or Kalergi Conspiracy Theory. The history of the page says that it was
created at 18:46 on 7 May 2019.

Here is the latest version:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalergi_plan

Kalergi plan

The Kalergi plan (Italian: piano Kalergi), or sometimes called the
Coudenhove-Kalergi Conspiracy,[1] is a far-right,[2] anti-semitic, white
nationalist conspiracy theory,[3] which states that a plot to mix white
Europeans with other races via immigration was constructed by Austrian
politician Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi and promoted in aristocratic
European social circles.[4] The conspiracy theory is most often
associated with European groups and parties, but it has also spread to
North American politics.[5]

Origins

Austrian writer and neo-Nazi Gerd Honsik wrote about the subject in his
book Kalergi Plan (2005).[6] Investigative newspaper Linkiesta have
described the Kalergi plan as a hoax which is comparable to the
anti-semitic fabrication The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[7]

Reception

The SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) denotes that the Kalergi plan
conspiracy theory is a distinctly European way of pushing the narrative
of white genocide on the continent, with white nationalists quoting
Coudenhove-Kalergi's writings out of context in order to assert that the
European Union's immigration policies were insidious plots that were
hatched decades ago in order to destroy white people.[8] Hope Not Hate,
an anti-racism advocacy group, has described it as a racist conspiracy
theory, which alleges that Coudenhove-Kalergi intended to influence
Europe's policies on immigration in order to create a "populace devoid
of identity" which would then supposedly be ruled by a Jewish elite.[9]

In his 2018 novel Middle England, author Jonathan Coe uses the Kalergi
plan to satirize the concept with his conspiracy theorist character
Peter Stopes.[10]

This page was last edited on 16 September 2019, at 06:04 (UTC).

Comment (Peter M.): Given that the current mass immigration into Europe
seems to be fulfilling the "Kalergi Plan", might this not indicate that
the Protocols of Zion is genuine after all?





Wednesday, August 28, 2019

888 Mijn reacties op de youtube van Dilbert alias Scott Adams



De politieke cartoon tekenaar Dilbert heet in het echt Scott Adams. 

Met zijn eigen naam maakt hij felle pro-America video's waar hij een eigen stijl heeft ontwikkeld : rustig pratend,  op rituele wijze koffie drinkend etc.

In zijn 23 aug. 2019  video komt hij heel hard uit de hoek tegen China: "Fuck you China. You can all die"

( Dat laatste trekt ie wel onmiddelijk weer in:  niet de chinese burgers zijn de schuld.) 



Hij heeft 25000 abonnees en de video's worden even vaak bekeken. 

De bijna 1000 reacties tonen aan hoe vreselijk eenzijdig de Amerikanen tegen China kijken. 

Als de grote gevaarlijke vijand. 
Dat hun eigen land zich al decennia lang volledig misdraagt, internationaal:  ze hebben er duidelijk geen idee van. 

Ik heb heel wat pittige reacties geplaatst, en veel reacties gekregen,

De reden dat ik dit hier plaats is dat ik nogal tevreden ben over mijn eigen postings. 

Op Blik kreeg ik er ook een complimentje over van Rootman. 



Johan Vermeulen
America spends 86 billion $$ each year just for Intelligence. And all these people together cannot stop the Chinese from sending Fentanyl to the USA ? Your fine NSA has every phone call I made in its archives. Every email I ever sent. And now they cannot stop the packets with Fentanyl ? Listen: They are maybe letting it through to make a villain out of China. They are preparing you for War. They are making you angry so that you want to make War. They did it in WW1. ( Germans cutting of breasts. Bayonetting babies: all lies. The Lusitania: a set up by America. ) They did it in WW2: Pearl Harbour was FDR's plan. Read Stinnnet: Days of Deceit. They did it on 9/11 to be able to destroy muslim countries around Israel. And they will do it tomorrow. And they will ask your sons to give their lives for your 1 %. And you will do it because you are not curious. You believe them all the time. You are to blame for your own uninformedness. So accept the consequences.

Er kwamen drie reacties op mijn post. Ik heb ze niet beantwoord. 
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Keith Terbeek
Almost as if Intelligence was in on it! Whaaaaah?
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Bill Dingee
In most respects, your observations about historical events leading to this point are closer to the truth than most of us in North America have been given reason to believe. In particular the role and the sacrifices made by Russia and Russians to rid Europe of the scourge of Nazi Germany vis a vis those of The Allies. Even top America military leadership of that time acknowledged it until politics foisted the Cold War onto the global scene. None of which changes the many global imperatives as identified by President Trump that have been intentionally permitted to fester, many for decades, to which for all intents and purposes he is saying "Shit or get off the pot." The man is far from being the crazed Oligarch that his political opponents have painted him to be. He knows he can't simply turn the America Constitution on its head to achieve his objectives, ala GW Bush and Obama, but that will not stop him from trying to normalize relations with other countries. If being offensive or pushy or insulting or heavy-handed (punitive sanctions/tariffs) then he is prepared to use every legal weapon at his disposal to get others to hear him. Clearly, diplomacy, or at least the appearances of diplomacy have not been particularly effective in the past. He knows it, and every major leader with whom he must engage knows it. Chances are Trump truly believed the Chinese President could convince the country leadership of understanding the importance of what he was conveying and taking steps to put an end to illicit trade behaviours. Absent clear intent to do so, he is calling their hand. This does not bode well for securities markets over the short term, but if it achieves desired outcomes, it could not only lead to better relations with a proud nation but underscore the message to other global leaders that his perspectives on counter-productive global relations as they have evolved over these past several decades are not to be trifled with much longer.
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rstone7727
Thanks for your input Xi...
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I will add another rant: Read the Wolfowitz Doctrine. Read "Rebuilding America's Defenses" ( Also known as 'The PNAC Report." ) Its like "Mein Kampf', only much more terrible. Read 'Training Circular 18-01'. Read The Economic Hitman. Read the Yinon Plan. Are you 'The Exceptional' ? Yes ! Are you The Indispensable? I Wish you were gone! Look at the 33 countries you bombed in the last 70 years. Go to the countries that you destroyed: like Vietnam, North Korea, Iraq, Libia, Syria, just to name a few. Shame on you all!

Er kwamen 7 reacties op mijn post.
De eerste van Wes Fleming. Maar hij heeft later zijn reactie weg gehaald: 

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Johan Vermeulen
@Wes Fleming I live in Europe, and after 1945 America did not bomb one country on Europe's behalf. Not one ! Here is the list: https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/united-states-bombings-of-other-countries They are all neo-colonial bombings for your 1%. Wes, I speak french, german and some spanish and italian. What a strange image you paint about Putin. You may live in the land of pornography and pedophilia, where sex is money and power. But Putin lives in a country with human values. You must look better, Wes. You have it upside down. WW1 was wished for by England and the bankers. WW2 was wished for by FDR and Churchill. WW3 will be America's Thucydides war because America cannot accept that it will loose its hegemony. Living in Europe I will probably not survive it. I am not happy about that, Wes. Can you understand that? So I repeat, just to wake you all up: Shame on you all. By the way: Do not think that you saved Europe in WW2. It was the Russians that killed off 80% of the German soldiers. You and all the other Allied Countries did the remaining 20 %, when Hitler was fighting with 16 year old schoolboys. You only arrived here to take up the spoils of war. That is what you did. Do not come again.
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Arioch The
"You therefore wish for Putin." - Typical propaganda fuel.   When the world becomes complex or harsh to understand - forget about the world. Just find one single person, claim that person omnipotent and ruling all the events of the world, and then glorify or demonize it. Either it is all about Trump-Trump-Trump or about Putin-Putin-Putin, or about Kim-Kim-Kim or about Hitler-Hitler-Hitler, or about Stalin-Stalin-Stalin, or about Netanjahu-Netanjahu-Netanjahu or about... etc.   It is like we still live in 15th century with absolute dictators named Kings ruling all the nations.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Arioch The The natural state of man is in a small group ( or tribe) with one leader, who explains the world and the group strategy. So by evolution we are not pundits. We follow opinion leaders. This is a golden opportunity for Media and media-pundits. If you can dominate the media, people will follow you blindly, as only very few make their own analysis. I try to observe the reality myself, and write my opinion. That is the only defense we have, as a people, against the 1%.
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Bob Schmitz
For us Western Europeans Putin is actually more an ally then an adversary. No, I would not want to live there, but, given the alliance with China (where I definitely would not want to live), it gives a nice counter force to the neocon infested regime in Washington. And no, we (the people, at least a very large minority) do NOT want to contribute more to NATO! Actually, why don´t the Americans save a lot of taxpayer money and move out from all our European bases! If the Poles want to pay for ´camp Trump´, fine, but for the rest: Thank you, but no, thank you! (and don´t forget to sweep the floors before you leave!)
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Arioch The
@Bob Schmitz think that 1% in USA is so much democratic as 1% in Germany, etc. They are all grown in Cold War globalism, and they need to reinstall it to keep their tribe "proper solution" and be in power forever. I mean, u ask American John Doe "why u Yankee pay for GI in Rammstein?" and he can ask "why u Kraut allow our GI in your Rammstein?", and the answer is the same.
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Arioch The
@Johan Vermeulen IOW we are like alcoholics on that. Afterall desire for alcohol-rich things is also evolutionary, ask hedgehogs drunk on rotting apples. And there should come our choice, to dig in and enjoy our being addicted, or to try to keep it in check and be double wary seeing liquor around. When i see someone focusing all the affairs on single person i try to make myself think "this guy wants to dictate me what i am allowed and not allowed to think". But sadly there are persons who enjoy being drunk with cool aid. Those exceptionazi wannabe, who got so sold on thinking other nations subhuman they will justify anything to keep it so. When the great American writer Bradbury wrote his 451F, he wrote about these kinds of Americans and about international bombers they would finally summon over their cities. It did not looked realistic back then. But sadly it does today... They are deadly set to pledge war against all the world, just like Hitler's fans were. And they do not believe it would sooner or later bring USA to the same fate that Third Reich met after it short bright pinnacle.
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Why do you Americans want to have your stuff made in Latin America? Just do it yourself ! You are believing your press. But they are the 1%. For them it was profitable to bring all the industries to China. Now take it back: fine. But do it yourself. Dont let other people make what ever you need. Stop making wars and killing people all over the world, and fabricate the stuff that you need. Become a normal country. Tip: Put your bankers in jail. They deserve it. Put all Lobbyists in jail, they certainly deserve it. Throw the Neocons out. They took over your foreign policy. Let them go to their favorite country. Take your country back. Send your Evangelicals to Israel. There they will be happy. Good riddens.

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The Chinese were doing fine, keeping themselves to their own country while we were colonising the world. Then the English broke their country by selling opium all over the place. It devastated China. They suffered for 200 years. Also from our fine allies the Japanese. When it wanted to get back on its feet in 1948, the USA decided otherwise: China had to be crippled again. How? By making it communist. Read the witnesses of those years, like Freda Utley. http://fredautley.com ('Last Chance in China) Or listen to Stan Monteith: https://youtu.be/8irQifrpmEY?t=126 The Chinese are doing back to us only a fraction of what we did to them. Wise up. Inform yourself. Dont make it much worse.

Hier kwamen ruim 40 reactie sop deze post. 
De helft is van mij. Mijn reactie op hun reacties. 
 Biak Tons reageert soms twee maal achter elkaar op mij.  Ik heb nietr aangegeven op welke 'tegenwerping' ik reageer. Dat moet uit de tekst blijken. Dit lijkt me het meest overzichtelijk.

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Biak Tons
So you are for China?
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Fainites Barley
That is an absurdly US-centric world view.
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Biak Tons
Again what have America done against china? Blame the British or Japanese that's fine but tell me what have America done against china. helping them get into WTO is a sin? Dumb ass
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Roman Walter
Screw you and the ChiComs. Have a nice day.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons I like the American people as much as the Chinese people. But your country is stolen by the 1%. You should take it back. Your country is used to wage wars for others. You should not do that. Now some drug addicts die from some drug which comes from China. Ask your government to stop the suppliers. Save your own stepson mr Adams. Don't hold others responsable. How much drugs did the CIA let through? Solve your own problems in your own country. Do not listen to these 1% : they need their Thucydides war, otherwise they are lost. Now they make you angry so that you will agree to die in this war, for them. Use brains, No selfpity. Does not help.
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Biak Tons
@Johan Vermeulen try answering my point.. What are the sins of america against the Chinese ?
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons Getting China into WTO was a blessing for China and for America's 1%. It was the beginning of the end for the 99% of the Americans. And now even the 1% is in a pickle. Only solution: a Thucydides War: the - still- stronger Hegemon starts a war against the runner up: China or Russia. But one cannot start a war, these days. So you need the other one to attack. (if he does not, you do it yourself and say the other did it. Called: False Flag. Pearl Harbor, Tonkin, 911 etc.) Before you go to war you must demonise the opponent, so that your people are behind you and your war. Mr. Adams is a great help in this. Unwitting, I suppose. Helping to destroy the world, because of personal grief and uninformedness. )
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Johan Vermeulen
@Roman Walter Make up your mind, Roman. Do you wish me to be screwed, or do you wish me a nice day?
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Johan Vermeulen
@Fainites Barley Hello Fainites, I will make it worse. Go the DC, to the National Archives and read the findings of the Overman Comittee, 1920. Senator Wolcott asks to the representant of the bankers, mr. Albert Rhys Williams: "Why did you support the Russian Revolution?" His answer: 'So that Russia will be ineffective and no competitor for us." http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-bolshevik-ch11.html America has alway been 'absurdly US-centric', to use your words. Wake up. Inform yourself.
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Biak Tons
@Johan Vermeulen so you are saying America is wrong for wanting to be the No. 1.. Which one will you prefer china or Russia?
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Biak Tons
Which country would you rather have for super power in your perfect world
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dethrophes
@Johan Vermeulen what country doesn't put it's own Interests first? Nor does 2 wrongs make a right. US is probably one of the country least responsible for communist China.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons America has bombed 33 countries since WW2. It has created color revolutions in many places. It has destabilised many countries. In october 2001 they had plans to take out 7 muslim countries. 6 of them are devastated now. Only Iran is still alive. In their 1999 'Mein Kampf' , the Neocons wrote how they want to control the world in the next 100 years. "Rebuilding America's Defenses" it is called. Also known as the PNAC Report. Already in 1992 ( the Wolfowitz Doctrine) they had decided to take down any country that would become a regional power. The sins of America against China is what we see happening now: that it does not leave China alone. It has decided to try to destroy China. It will lead to use of nuclear weapons, and will kill many millions. Why? because your 1 % thinks it has the devine right to rule the world. To steal and kill wherever it wants. Thank God for Putin and Xi. Let's hope they will be able to stop those crazy Americans. I am European. It was the Russians that stopped Hitler, not the Americans, But you probably do not know that. Inform yourself. Nobody likes you.
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Johan Vermeulen
@dethrophes Every country should put its own interests first. Putin understands that when he deals with other countries. He always mentions it. But always be reasonable. Let the other live too. America has a very crazy press. Terrible liars they are. Did you know that America had only about 25 years in its existence when it was free of war? Who attacked you every time ? You have two weak neighbours! You are attacking half the world. Stealing everywhere. With your IMF, Your World Bank. Your 'economic hit men'. Who is responsible for communism? How about Karl Marx? Writing his oevre in London. Living in the USA. Trotsky getting help to go to Russia. Read what Bertrand Russell wrote about is visit in St Petersburg in 1920. They were not Russians who were creating communism there. The Russians were misled, and later died in the Gulags. They were the victims of this ideaology coming from abroad. Study it.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons At least I am sure that America has behaved so terrible all of her existence ( Killing almost all the indians. Having slavery for so long, considering South America its property, killing in the Phillipines and in North Korea, not helping Russia against the Germans untill the last minute: acting as the third party who takes the prize. Then taking over the world by banking and neo-colonialism. Using the cold war to sell weapons all over the world. The only thing in favor of the USA: as I am European I love their popular music. I am much closer to the USA than I am to Russians and certainly Chinese. And my life has been safe and peacefull thanks to this Cold War. But after 1992 the Neocons took over and refused Russia to go together with Europe. They exclude Russia, and arttacked it since 2013. Why? Because if Russia and Germany would be able to cooperate, they would out-compete the USA. ( Ask MacKinder, Kennan, Brzezinsky, Stratfor-Friedman) . I would prefer a multipolar world: USA, Russia and China , wrestling with each other, understanding that war is wrong.
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dethrophes
@Johan Vermeulen the only reason putin is so restrained, is because he isn't in a position to do more. I don't see the relevance of where Karl Marx wrote his book. Nobody forced Russian to adopt the ideology, at some point people have to take responsibility for their own fate. Also the West put a fair amount of effort into stopping communism in Russia.
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Johan Vermeulen
@dethrophes Do you believe that Putin would conquer more countries if he would be free to do so? Why would you believe that? In Georgia it was Georgia who started. Putin reacted, helped the Ossetians and Abchaze people. In Ukraïne it was the Americans who started it all : read what Gerschmann ( NED) wrote in the Wapo on 26 sept 2013: "Ukraïne wil be the big Prize. We will destabilise Putin." The Crimea was not annexed. Read what prof. Reinhard Merkel wrote in the Frankfurter A Z. Bolton has told everybody about Putin's 2005 speech: " The end of the USSR is a big catastrophe". Yes he said that. And it was a catastrophe, because the Chicago Boys (Jeffrey Sachs cs) made it a terrible mess. It was hell for the Russians. Until Putin came. But the west liked the real democrat Yeltsin better: he fired with tanks on the parliament building! Your fine Democrat Yeltsin!
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Johan Vermeulen
@dethrophes You write: " I don't see the relevance of where Karl Marx wrote his book. Nobody forced Russian to adopt the ideology," It was not written by a Russian. It was not written for Russia. And the people who forced it on the people were not Russians. They were American bankers, and people who had emigrated from Russia to New York, and yes: Russiands who were promised freedom and a better future. But this better future was a lie. Those who told the lie: they had a better future. For themselves. I cannot tell you all. You must study the details yourself. Read from all sources and choose those that you trust. Simple. If you are living in America: a similar process is happening in your country. May I then tell you this: "at some point people have to take responsibility for their own fate." America is going down the drains. I do not pity you: its your own responsability. You said it yourself.
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dethrophes
@Johan Vermeulen for the entirety of Putin's... let's say reign for want of a better word. He has been constrained by other countries power, both China and the US. As such what you are saying is akin to saying that a muzzled bear has never bitten anyone. Also invading other countries is not the only way to exert your influence over them. I'm not actually against Putin I just would classify him as harmless as you seem to.
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dethrophes
@Johan Vermeulen I don't live in the us and it isn't just the us going down the drain. Nor is Marxism the real problem in the us. The problem is too many people these days like to feel good about themselves, Without the discipline to force themselves to face the harsh truths of life.
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Johan Vermeulen
@dethrophes Putin is not a muzzled Bear. He is very clever and very a Real-Politic adept: He will change the world for the better, but will not commit suicide ( like JFK did, by wanting too much at once.). So he does what he can. He saw Iraq an Lybia destroyed and in 2013 he felt strong enough to stop the USA destroying Syria. He stopped the total take over of Ukraïne. He made an alliance with China, as both are under threat of the USA. He made his country safe and brought poverty down from 45 % to 13%. Life is good in Russia. He threw out the CIA , sorry, the NGO's. He stopped sabotage of his country by Identity Politics, which will destroy the USA from within.
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dethrophes
@Johan Vermeulen i never said he wasn't intelligent. What I meant is you can never gauge a person's limits by only observing their public actions when they are constrained.
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Biak Tons
@Johan Vermeulen let me cut through the noise of your text.. So, you won't go For Russia, china or the US and the world you ask for does not exist or has never had in human history. What does that make you?
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Biak Tons
@Johan Vermeulen I just read your reply to @dethrophes ... So, you prefer a communist system of government? Is this what you are saying?
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons Mr. Tons, if you think that my text is like noise, you have very little knowledge to judge my words with. You probably have a very simple scheme for the world, manicheïstic I suppose. Why not studying a bit on the matter, so that you have some glimpse of what is out there? Then we can talk.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons I think communism is not a good system, but the way America has developed in the last 30 years is worse than communism, probably. The big Prize in politics is controle over the Media. If you can silence opponents, you can steal and murder and get away with it. Thanks to the internet I was able to read a lot of truth, and I understand the Main Stream Media are hopelessly biased. At least each Russian knew he was reading lies in The Pravda. The Americans still think that the lies ( by omission) in the NY Times are true ! If you clean up your press and stop selling your democracy ( 1 $ one vote. Mr. Sheldon Adelson and friends is ruling your country !) you may get a real democracy. I was elated when Trump was chosen. But very soon he had to bow for the Neocons. In essence his goals are fine: close the borders and bring your industry back to your own country. But 'they' are boss, not Trump.
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Biak Tons
@Johan Vermeulen your political philosophy is what matters, which u didn't answer me till now. Every political philosophy has its own flaws upon its implication because of human nature, may it be a Democratic one or a communis one or socialis... But upon which philosophical ideolgy do you want to fight this imperfection is my question.. !!!!!Dont give me the He-did she-did thing, they all did, thats what I call noise. This is what I'm getting from your text. You neither like democracy or communist ! so.. What system are you proposing that the world should be govern by.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons I would choose a democracy with a good socialist protection for the weaker people. But you force me to choose between systems, and that is not useful. I think communism in China is doing a much better job as a system than democracy is doing for its people in the USA at this moment. So it all depends on the way it is organised. A benevolent dictator can be a blessing for a poor country, and a democracy can be a big handicap for another poor country, like India. The Chicago Boys gave the Russian president ( Yeltsin) a lot of power. He misused it. Putin uses it in a fantastic way. The USA has been taken over by the Ayn Rand elite. Greed is good. They defend their egoïsm end stealing from the poor by proclaiming that all their success is the result of their hard work. Complete nonsens. If you have an IQ of 80 points , even hard work will not give you a good life in the States. But in a more socialist democracy it does. That is called: a human society.
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Roman Walter
@Johan Vermeulen Donald Trump wants you to have a nice day and so do I. Neither he nor I have anything to do with China's past but we can change China's horrid exploitation of America today. Thank you.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Roman Walter Thanks for wishing me well, Roman. Now I want to ask you something: where is the 'horrid exploitation?" Your game is - and always was - free enterprise, free competition, free trade. This is always a fine 'religion' for the powerful. But now another country turned out to be better at it than you. And now you are bitter. You look for excuses. You make accusations. You, who exploited the weaker countries in the world for many many decennia. Always defending yourself: 'Our rules are fair: work hard and work better and you can also win ! ' (Behind the curtain you used all the tricks you could think of. Read: confessions of an economic hit man. Think of the sanctions you declaired on other countries. Think of the 500.000 Iraqi children that died because of it ! Think of all the wars that you started, just for your MIC industry. Think of always inventing an ennemy and convincing your allies that they should help destroying those countries. What a mess you made of your beautiful country. How ugly you made it. And what is to come? Will you start an atomic war, just because you feel bad to be a looser? Stop reading your MSM. It will kill you and make you a killer. Find the truth. It still is out there although they will try to make it invisible. Only thing you need: hard work and wanting to know the truth.
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Biak Tons
@Johan Vermeulen Communism in China is doing a much better job for it's people at the moment? Are you blind to not see xinjiang internment camp Falun Gong organ harvesting Fentanyl exporting. Have u not see how HONGKONG protested . No labour health care for it's factory workers. Talk about religious freedom. Freedom ofexpression. And the list goes on ... How can u even start to compare with American.. Are you right in the head?
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Biak Tons
"I force you to choose between system " if you have knowledge why don't you also have wisdom.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons I am happy that China takes hundreds of millions out of poverty in just 30 years. They have thousands of miles of high speed rail.. America has none. They have developed good 5G , America has not (yet). Why would I worry about half a procent of the people who are unhappy? Would they be unhappy if not paid for it by NED or some other American NGO ? I doubt it. Why do all these rebels everywhere in the world receive help from the USA ? To destabilise their government, I read about that strategy in your PNAC Report. And in your Training Circular 18-01. So I think these problems are only big in the American press. You know: your elite wants you to go to war to their ennemies. That's why they tell you about the ennemies cutting of breasts , bayonettiong babies ( first WW) , sinking passenger ships ( Lusitania) , attacking your marines ( Tonkin) etc etc. If you are such a doo-gooder: try to make life better in Saudi Arabia. Do something for the 58000 homeless people in LA. Make sure that your poor can go to a dentist. Start there. Leave China to the chinese and all will be fine. You are just making the world worse and more dangerous. Do not do it ! Isn't Afghanistan. Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Ukraïne enough? Will you never stop your barbarism ?
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Biak Tons
@Johan Vermeulen To the point I mention above do you still think china is doing a better job for it OWN people (remember Own) at the MOMENT compare to America ?
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Roman Walter
@Johan Vermeulen Perhaps you might want to hear it from President Trump or perhaps you might take a look at international law on property rights or Fentanyl exportation into the US? Perhaps you will find some clue. Someday.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons Communism was introduced in Russia by American bankers, to keep Russia poor. In China the same trick was pulled off , probably. So from 1950 to 2000 the US was free to get rich, through their own work and by stealing from other countries. So in 2000 the American people were much better off than the Chinese. But now, 19 years later, the average Americans are worse off than in 2000. In the same last 19 years the Chinese have gotten much wealthier. Real wages have gained 600 % or more I think. Your question was: "do you still think china is doing a better job for it OWN people (remember Own) at the MOMENT compare to America ?" The answer is yes. The Chinese are still less wealthy than the Americans, but there is progresss, not recession.
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Johan Vermeulen
@Roman Walter Roman, your country spread chemicals all over Vietnam,. agent Orange. You threw depleted uranium in Iraq and other places. Your proxies used poison-gas in Syria. Your sanctions killed 500.000 innocent childeren in Iraq. And now you are complaining because you think that China is not stopping the smuggling of fentanyl to your country? Its like the Nazi's complaining that they have to pay for all this Zyklon-B with their tax money. Your crimes are 100 times bigger. Plus: Your own customs cannot find it when it comes in. But Chinese customs are criminals if they cannot find it going out? And - much more important- don't you understand that you are complicit in preparing for a war of agression by your own country ? 'Let's make a villain out of him. It will take some time, but always works. " as Victor Ostrovsky wrote about this technique. ( ( By way of deception)
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Biak Tons
@Johan Vermeulen wow... Are you sure it's not the Jewish hahahahahahahahhahaah
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Biak Tons
So, you are OK if the CCP built an internment camps and harvested organs against it's own people.. In massive scale. And give no health insurance for it's massive factory workers ?
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Johan Vermeulen
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Johan Vermeulen
@Biak Tons Biak, The Uygurs live in China for ages, but many do not even speak Chinese. Those who are punished and taken to an internment camp are not waterboarded ( Like you do with the mostly innocent muslims in Guantanamo) and are not tortured in any other way. They are forced to learn Chinese, so that they can be happy in China. Do you have a better suggestion? As for the harvesting of oragans: These things may be true, or may be a lie. We do not know. It certainly is an easy way to smear some opponent. We do not know. We only know that the germans did not baynet babies, did not cut of breasts of Belgian women, and that the Lusitania was a bait, with civilians willfully offered by your Government, to make a war possible. Likewise Pearl Harbor. Likewise the Tonkin incident etc. etc. Do not worry about the circumstrances in China. It is up to them. Worry about your Government preparing for a nuclear war, and using your gullability to make this war possible. It will cost me my life and it wil cost you your sons live.
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