Saturday, May 11, 2013

279 About the gas-chambers

I do believe that there were gas-chambers, and that jewish people were killed in them.
Because I believe Fritjov Meyer who wrote about the gas-chambers in two farm-houses just outside of Auschwitz. (Ost-Europa).

But I am not at all sure that it is possible to kill thousands of people with Cyanide gas ( Zyklon B), as we are told over and over again. ( David Cole)

Untill now I heard the story about the enormous difficulties that arise when you want to kill people with Zyklon B only from well known revisionists like Faurisson, Leuchter, Zundel etc.
But today I came across a story on Veterans Today in which another source is mentioned:
Leonard Vincent , the chief attorney for the Missisippi Dep. of Corrections.

Leonard Vincent explained to the famous author John Grisham how poisonous the gas is, and how much time and effort it takes to take out one dead corpse from the gas chamber without killing those who do this job.

Grisham used  Vincent's information in his 1994 book 'The Chamber'.
Grisham writes a 'thank you' to mr. Vincent for the information given to him, and mr. Vincent later said that  what Grisham wrote in his book was correct.
Neither of them speak about the holocaust, but it is clear that IF indeed it is really lethal to take out recently gassed corpses without any protection, that then all the stories of the 'Sondercommando's' are fantasies and lies.

I remember that one witness of the mass gassings of jews had made drawings of these sondercommando's. This drawing was used as a kind of proof in a trial, if my recollection is correct.
On the drawing you see a Sondercommando with no protectionbn at all: he in fact works with a bare chest.
The man would not survive 2 minutes.

If anyone reads a rebuttal to this story ( that the mass-killing by gas is very difficult, and that it definitely was impossible to do it in the way that it is always told to us)  please give me tha information as a reaction to this blog below.

Here is a small qoute from the Veterans Today article: 

Leonard Vincent is the chief attorney for the Mississippi Dept. of Corrections, whom Grisham thanks in his acknowledgements as being of great assistance in helping him prepare the background for the book.
Vincent substantiates the passage from the novel I have excerpted below as truthfully describing the incredible precautions necessary when executing a prisoner in an American gas chamber.
Given these precautions, how do you explain the claims of Jewish groups that the Germans would gas 100-200 inmates at a time and then other inmates were forced to immediately evacuate the gas chambers and cart off the bodies to ovens without any protective measures. Is this even possible?
Or is it the case that the prison officials simply erred on the side of caution and there is no real danger to come into direct contact with corpses gassed to death with cyanide?

Here is a quote from Grishams book, and a reaction to that: 


This is the passage from the John Grisham novel mentioned above:
The following passage is taken from the novel:
The Chamber by John Grisham (Dec 27, 2005), pages 253-256
The novel is about a former KKK member named Sam, who waits on death row for his part in bombing the office of a Jewish attorney who campaigned for civil rights in Mississippi. The state still used the gas chamber at that time. His attorney, Adam, is his own grandson who struggles to understand Sam’s violent past even as he battles to delay the execution.
And while Grisham in no way discusses, or even alludes to, the Nazi Holocaust in this book, this passage contains disturbing implications about the alleged Nazi gas chambers and seems to validate some of the claims of Holocaust revisionists and deniers, who argue that it is not possible to gas large numbers of people in relatively unsealed rooms and then immediately remove the corpses ignoring all precautionary measures without endangering the entire camp, including other prisoners and personnel.
“Sam had an audience, and Adam was captivated. “How many men have died in Mississippi’s [gas] chamber?” he asked.
“It was first used here in 1954, or thereabouts. Between then and 1970, they killed thirty-five men. No women. After Furman is 1972, it sat idle until Teddy Doyle Meeks in 1982. They’ve used it three times since then, so that’s a total of thirty-nine. I’ll be number forty.”
He began pacing again, now much slower. “It’s a terribly inefficient way to kill people,” he said, much like a professor in front of a classroom. “And it’s dangerous. Dangerous of course to the poor guy strapped in the chair, but also to those outside the chamber. These damned things are old and they all leak to some degree. The seals and gaskets rot and crumble, and the cost of building a chamber that will not leak is prohibitive. A small leak could be deadly to the executioner or anyone standing nearby. There are always a handful of people — Naifeh, Lucas Mann, maybe a minister, the doctor, a guard or two — standing in the little room just outside the chamber. There are two doors to this little room, and they are closed during an execution. If any of the gas leaked from the chamber into the room, it would probably hit Naifeh or Lucas Mann and they’d croak right there on the floor. Not a bad idea, come to think of it.
“The witnesses are also in a great deal of danger, and they don’t have a clue. There’s nothing between them and the chamber except for a row of windows, which are old and equally subject to leakage. They’re also in a small room, and if there’s a gas leak of any size these gawking fools get gassed too.
“But the real danger comes afterward. There’s a wire they stick to your ribs and it runs through a hole in the chamber to outside where a doctor monitors the heartbeat. Once the doctor says the guy is dead, they open a valve on top of the chamber and the gas is supposed to evaporate. Most of it does. They’ll wait fifteen minutes or so, then open the door. The cooler air from the outside that’s used to evacuate the chamber causes a problem because it mixes with the remaining gas and condenses on everything inside. It creates a death trap for anyone going in. It’s extremely dangerous, and most of these clowns don’t realize how serious it is. There’s a residue of prussic acid on everything — walls, windows, floor, ceiling, door, and, of course, the dead guy.
“They spray the chamber and the corpse with ammonia to neutralize the remaining gas, then the removal team or whatever it’s called goes in with oxygen masks. They’ll wash the inmate a second time with ammonia or chlorine bleach because the poison oozes through the pores in the skin. While he’s strapped in the chair, they cut his clothes off, put them in a bag, and burn them….
“What happens to the body?” Adam asked, somewhat ashamed to read on such sensitive matters but nonetheless anxious to complete the story….
“Well, once it’s sufficiently washed and disinfected, they dress it in prison garb, pull it out of the chair, then put it in a body bag. They place it on a stretcher that goes into an ambulance, which takes it to a funeral home somewhere. The family takes over at that point. Most families.”
Another person reacted to the above : 
Grisham’s historical fiction is excellent.
But, testimony from a true expert — Fred Leuchter, sole builder of gas and electric chair execution chambers in the U.S. in the ’70s — is more compelling, at least to me.
“…After the execution, explains Leuchter: “You go in. The inmate has to be completely washed down with chlorine bleach or with ammonia. The poison exudes right out through his skin. And if you gave the body to an undertaker, you’d kill the undertaker. You’ve got to go in; you’ve got to completely wash the body.”


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