Wednesday, May 18, 2011

141. Links : Van Waning / Stan van Houcke / Zonnewind.

De heer J. J. W. Van Waning is oud politicus en oud Marinier.

Jarenlang had hij een blog op de Volkskrant site.

Die zal in de nabije toekomst verdwijnen.

Hierbij geef ik een hele reeks met links die Van Waning op zijn blog weergeeft.

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Stan van Houcke is een journalist die enkele maanden geleden is gestopt met zijn blog over de

wandaden van Israel.

Ook van hem een aantal links.

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Zonnewind is een Belgische site met uitstekende artikelen ( vaak vertaald uit de VS ) die helaas ook

enkele maanden geleden het bijltje er bij heeft neergegooid.

Ook van hen een aantal links hieronder.
Ik weet niet wie er achter Zonnewind zitten, maar vermoedelijk is een van hen ( of is hij de enige? )  ene Willem Huntelaar.

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Van deze drie ' collega's ' houden Van Waning en Houcke zich het meest met de Israelische politiek bezig.  Ze beschouwen Israel en de joden wellicht als mensen die precies gelijk zijn aan alle andere mensen, maar qua politiek te ver gaan, en wel degelijk kritiek verdienen en bekritiseerd mogen worden.
Dat is op zich al een flinke stap verder dan de gemiddelde journalist of politicus.

Zonnewind  heeft meer oog voor de Power Elite en hun greep op de wereld.

Ikzelf heb vooral oog voor de enorme invloed die joodse mensen ( een klein maar uiters machtig deel van alle joodse mensen)  hebben op onze wereld.
Ik beschouw deze joden niet als een gewone groep mensen, maar als een buitengewone groep mensen, met buitengewone mogelijkheden en buitengewone ambities.  Kevin MacDonalden Israel Shamir hebben dit het best omschreven.



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Van Waning:


The Israel lobby on Youtube (video's)
CNN- God's Warriors (video)
'Islamisme' op VK-site
'Islamisme' op wikipedia.nl
'Oorlog tegen het terrorisme' (wikipedia.nl)
CAMERA (VS 'Israel lobby' media 'watchdog')
Neo-con Jews and Iraq (Wake-up-America)
Jim Lobe's LobeLog.com (USA)
Uri Avnery's News Pages (Israel)
Burgerinitiatief 'Openheid over Irak, nu' (NL)
'De Schande van Gaza' (VARA TV/Paul Witteman)
Atlantic Community: Top Press Commentary
PostGlobal Conversation (Washington Post)
C-Span Public Service Video Player (USA)
Inside Britain's Israel Lobby (TV Channel 4,UK)
Nederland: EEN land, EEN samenleving
RT (rusland)
Criminal State (i.e. Israel)(VSA)
Sayanim - Mossad's powerful 'sleepers'
'How Israel lobby Controls US' (Jeff Gates/USA)
Loonwatch.com (USA)
Wilders, the movie ( doc. VPRO, 12.09.10)
Islamic Portal (Shaykh Khalid Yasin, USA)
Forum voor Democratische Ontwikkeling (NL)
Voice of America (VOA)
IAC-Internat. Action Center (Ramsey Clark/USA)
Dries van Agt (NL)
AltMuslim (internat. indep. Muslim media)
Jewish Alliance for Change (Israel.)
Amnesty International
Human Rights Watch

EVANGELICALISME, ZIONISME EN ISLAMISME

Evangelicalism (Wikipedia.org)
Christian Zionism (Wikipedia.org)
Challenging Christian Zionism (USA)
'Israel lobby' (wikipedia/google)
Gush Shalom (Israelische vredesbeweging)
Bijbel en Koran (NL)

ZIONISME, ISLAMISME EN HET MIDDEN-OOSTEN

Filosemitisme (Google)
Israel lobby in the United States (Wikipedia.org)
The Israel Lobby Archive (USA)
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (Wikip.)
American Zionist Movement
J Street: pro-peace pro-Israel (USA)
The Information Underground (USA)
'Israel lobby' (NOS Journaal)
The Jewish Tribal Review (USA)
Middle East Project (USA)
Israel lobby watch (Electronic Intifada)
Criminal State (i.e. Israel)(VSA)
De Israel lobby (blogspot.com)
De Nederlandse pro-[Groot]Israel lobby
Israel lobby op Google
De Israel lobby (VPRO TV Tegenlicht)
Stichting Stop de Bezetting (NL)
De Israel Lobby Blogspot.com (NL)
BBC-Birth of the Promised Land (video)
Israel & Palestijnen Nieuws Blog (NL)
The Holocaust Industry (Norman Finkelstein video)
'Zionism for Dummies' (The Palestine Chronicle)
Norman G. Finkelstein website
CIDI (NL)
U.S./Middle East Project,Inc
International Commission of Jurists - Israel
Een Ander Joods Geluid (NL)
Stop de bezetting van Palestina (NL)
United Civilians for Peace - UCP (NL)
Werkgroep Keerpunt (NL)
Onderzoek en Informatiecentrum Israel-Palestina
Conflicts Forum-links
Israel/Palestine Center Research and Information
PalestineRemembered.com
Peace Palestine blog
Electronic Intifada
The Origin of the Israeli-Palestine Conflict
European Jews for a Just Peace (EJJP)
The Alternative Information Center (Israel/Palest.
Americans for Peace Now
MuzzleWatch (USA)
Mondoweiss (USA)
If Americans Knew..(USA)
Palestine Think Tank (mondiaal)
Right Web Profiles Index (USA)
'A Clean Break:.'.(USA)
Jewish Voice for Peace (USA)
Sayanim - Mossad's powerful 'sleepers'
US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation
Rise of Religious Right in Republican Party
Peace Now (Israel)
Israel Policy Forum (USA)
Gush Shalom - Israeli Peace Bloc
International Solidarity Movement
Jews Against Occupation (American Jews)
The Wall of Hate (YouTube)
Jews not Zionists (USA)
Special Series on Zionism (Salem-News.com, USA)
The Israel Project's Hasbara Handbook (USA)
Ayaan Hirsi Ali weblog
Alan Hart Diary (USA)
Zionism and Israel (Israel)
Israel News: Ynetnews
Why Zionism is not about Jews (Google)
Wij blijven hier! (NL Moslim-site)
Zionism is a Balancing Act (Reut Institute, israel
Examples of Zionist hate speech
The Washington Institute for Near East Policy

IRAK, IRAN, AFGHANISTAN, PAKISTAN en INDIA

Electronic Iraq
The Arabist
Cost of war in Iraq and Afghanistan (USA)
The Arab American Institute (USA)
The Angry Arab News Sevice (UK)
Think Progress - IRAK (USA)
Irakoorlog (NL Wikipedia)
Think Progress - IRAN (USA)
Campaign Against Mil. Intervent. in Iran (CASMII)
Uskowi on Iran (?)
Press TV (Iran)
Iran Focus
Muslim Bridges.org (USA)
myAfghan News
RAWA News Afghanistan (Afghanistan)
Defend Malalai Joya!
PBS on Aghanistan (USA)
Oorlog in Afghanistan (NL Wikipedia)
Countercurrents.org (India)
Opinion Maker (PAK)

DENKTANKS

The International Think Tank Index (USA)
Center for Research on Globalization
Global Policy Forum - Monitoring UN (USA/GER)
World Public Opinion (USA)
Stratfor (USA)
Cato Institute (USA)
Institute for War & Peace Reporting (IWPR/UK)
ZNet&Magazine (USA)
Global Research (USA)
Cooperative Research (USA)
Democracy Now! (USA)
The Secure America Challenge (USA)
International Crisis Group
School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS)
Council on Foreign Relations (USA)
The National Security Archive -GWU (USA)
Terrorism Research Center (USA)
Foreign Affairs (USA)
The European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR)
The Centre for European Policy Studies (CEPS)
International Institute for Strategic Studies (UK)
Oxford Research Group (UK)
Oxford Analytica (UK)
The Brookings Institution (USA)
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (USA)
Center for Strategic and International Studies (US
The Jamestown Foundation (USA)
Arms Control Association (USA)
Foreign Policy (USA)
The Atomic Scientists (USA)
Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) (USA)
Atlantic-Community.Org (Germany)
Gulf Research Center (Dubai)
Commentator Robert Frisk (UK)
Harper's Magazine (USA)
The Nation (USA)
NATO Review
NATO Media
DefendAmerica (US Def.Dept War on Terror)
AntiWar.com (USA)
LeftLink.com
European Security Review
EU Institute for Security Studies
MoveOn.org (USA)
Truthdig (USA)
Talk to Action (USA)
AfterDowningStreet.org (USA)
The Huffington Post (USA)
Information Clearing House (USA)
Global Security (USA)
The War in Context (USA)
Open Democracy (USA)
Conflicts Forum (USA)
Locatie Am. vliegkampschepen (USN)

MEDIA

Wikipedia.org
(NL) Wikipedia
Mother Jones (USA)
Right Web (Pol. Research Associates, USA)
Center for American Progress Action Fund
JohnPilger.com (ITV/UK)
William Pfaff, American commentator
Informed Comment (Juan Cole/USA)
Bill Moyers Journal on PBS (USA)
Tom Dispatch (USA)
The Globalist (USA)
Media Lens USA)
The Times Literary Supplement (UK)
Counter Punch
The American Prospect (USA)
Slate Magazine (USA)
Aljazeera.net English (Arab)
Pakistan Tribune
Xinhuanet (China View)
China Matters
The Economist (UK)
Vanity Fair (USA)
The New York Review of Books
London Review of Books
Le Monde Diplomatique (English Edition)
Deutsche Welle
New Statesman (UK)
Financial Times (UK)
The Global New York Times
International Herald Tribune
International Herald Tribune (Opinion-Links)
Time (Europe Edition)
Newsweek International Edition (USA)
The New Republic
The New Yorker
The Christian Science Monitor
Washington Post
New York Times
McClatchy’s Newspapers (USA)
The Wall Street Journal (USA)
The Independant (UK)
Telegraph (UK)
The Guardian (UK)
Haaretz (Israel)
Jerusalem Post
Spiegel Online International (GER)
BBC NEWS
CNN International
World News Network
Agence France-Presse (AFP)
Reuters AlertNet
Link TV (USA)
PBS Fronline World (USA)
IPS Inter Press Service (USA)
National Public Radio (USA)
The Real News Network (USA)
RU News NOVOSTI (Rusland)
Pravda (English) (RU)
VPRO TV/Tegenlicht
Radio Netherlands Worldwide
WorldNews.com


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Sunday, May 15, 2011

140. Osama

http://tiny.cc/gv97a     More Osama: Blog 139.

Update: {aul Craig Roberts, november 2014: Osama was dead in 2001. No marines ever saw that Osama was buried in teh Sea. The Seals who 'killed Osama' said it was not true and after that  aal died in an accident. See: below. 
  


To really understand 'the case Osama' we have to put it in a wider context.

Since the Credit Crunch started in 2008 I began to read about money and banks etc.
My main question was: who rules the world? Is there an invisible power behind our politicians? What could be their objective?

I read many jewish authors: The old Testament, Israel Shahak, Livia Rokach, Victor Ostrovsky, Finkelstein, Israel Shamir, Gilad Atzmon, Naeim Giladi, Benjamin Disraeli etc. etc.
I read Anthony Sutton, Caroll Quigley, Archibald Maule, Ellen H. Brown, William Engdahl, The Protocols of Zion, Kevin MacDonald etc. etc.
I read blogs of The Vinyard Saker, Gordon Duff and newsletters and the website of Peter Myers.

All these together convinced me that it would be a good method or hypothesis to look at the unfolding history as if it were steered by jewish interest.
After all: that is the overwhelming impression that I get from reading all these authors.

Now to Osama.

Al Qaida was invented by the Americans, for judicial reasons.
In a book and a BBC documentary we see that Al Qaida was an invention of American lawyers.
Of course there are lots of angry young arabs, but there was not an organised network led by a man like Osama. The Americans invented it, in order to be able to accuse Osama. American laws made it possible to accuse Maffia bosses only if there was a 'network' that they were leading. In order to accuse Osama, they needed the network.
So far the BBC and Jason Burke.

I think that jewish agents already were in search for a credible figurehead, a symbol, an icon  of
'Islam Terrorism'.
They planned this War on Terror. Why?
Erets Israel, Greater Israel, the conditio sine qua non for the coming of the Messiah ( due in about 230 years from now, according to Rabbi Evers from Amsterdam), can only be realised when many arabs are chased away and possibly killed. That is only possible if the whole world believes that they are the bad guys who threaten us all.
So: what they need is (perceived) arab Terror. That makes them the bad guys.
Killing them is an heroïc act. Not a crime.
Osama was the symbol for that Terror.


Then came 911.
The terror attack was, within the hour, blamed on arabs. Telephone-calls from the hijacked planes spoke of arab hijackers. Later it proved to be impossible to make calls from these planes. ( Griffin)
But our questions were answered: we had the culprits.
Due to the psychological fenomenon called 'confirmation bias' it was, from now on, very difficult to convince people of the irrationality of their belief.

Some of the alledged hijackers had done some flying lessons, but many experienced pilots later told us that they could never fly the planes into the buildings as perfect as these amateurs did....

Building WTC7 fell down - for some time- with the speed of free fall, as the videos show us.
Not one scientist in the world can explain how this could ever happen. It has never happened before.

There is a long list of miracles that are necessary for the official explanation to be the truth. (Miracles)

People have no problem to believe in miracles, as long as everyone around them believes the same
miracles. This was the core-bussiness of religions for centuries.

It's now the core-bussiness of the Masters of Discourse ( 1 ).
It's like Bertrand Russel wrote: "There is no nonsense so arrant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action." 


This controle and manipulation over the Media was documented for the first time officially in 1917 bij Congress man Oscar Callaway. ( 16 , see also 11 to 15) 


I agree with Dr. Alan Sabrowski, the former director of studies at the US Army War College. He says: "Israel did 911".
They are the only-ones who have the motives and have the abilities to let 911 happen. And have the media-power to keep the truth out of the MSM.


Osama clearly stated he never did 911, and openly disapproved of it. 

Robert Fisk wrote about this on his website, but the link is no longer working. (http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_ummat.htm )

Gordon Duff wrote about a 24 sept 2001 statement from  Osama which is translated by the CIA. In this statement Osama says ( a.o.) :

  • “I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States.”
  • “Neither I had any knowledge of these attacks nor I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. . Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people. Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle.”

In a world where every little act of terrorism is used a thousand times to accuse the terrorist of being a sub-human, terrorism is not a good strategy.
In the case of Israel it is different of course, as their terrorism is hardly mentioned in the media. See Livia Rokach. See Alison Weir.

The Malaysian president Muhammed Mahathir made a very good speech about this in 2003.
Terrorism is not a strategy. It is a wild emotion that is counterproductive in many cases.
Osama never gave me the impression that he was irrational and overwhelmed by emotions.

Like Alan Hart and like Peter Myers I believe that the 911 attack may have been an idea that started in a group of Islamic rebels or if you want: terrorists. But they could never fulfill the job without support from insiders in the US. Who gave the stand-down order so that all four hijacked planes could fly around for over an hour?  Who guided the planes at exactly the right spot into the Twin Towers, if not the computers of Dov Zakheims SPC firm ?
 

911 was the starting point of a campaign to destroy or at least weaken the arab world.

And it was done with the help of Mossad and Neocons.
Also other terrorist attacks have suspicious aspects. The London subway bombing for instance.(Video)
The 2010 Christmas would-be terrorist  could get on a plane without a passport, with the help of Israeli  security !   See lawyer  Kurt Haskell. The Bombay attack was done with the help of a former DEA affiliate. Etc. Etc.

This campaign to destroy or at least weaken the arab world was accompanied by a world-wide moslim-bashing campaign. Bashing is like bullying: when you spread negative news about one person or group time and again and leave out the negative news of other groups.  
This bashing is initiated and fired up by jewish authors. Read about it in Jeff Cohens article and in Max Blumenthals  article.
And then there are people like Joseph Cohen who pretend to have converted to Islam and then start a very extreme muslim group that generates a lot of negative publicity for the islam.  Cohen ( who called himself Al Khattab) said he would be happy if Israel was hit by a nuclear bomb.  Said he had sympathy for the Huston killer. Said that the makers of South Park would end up like Theo van Gogh if they would not take Muhammed out of the series.
Then there are people like Adam Pearlman, who change from jew to muslim and produce all these Osama tapes ( As Sahab) ( Adam Pearlman)    Etc. Etc.  


What happened to Osama after december 2012 ?


Either Osama was killed during the attacks on Tora Bora, with the very lethal thermobaric bombs, as Ferndale wrote.  Or he survived.
David Ray Griffin gives a lot of good arguments to believe that Osama died in december 2001.
The head of the CIA, Leon Panetta, confirmed that after december 2001 there was never a reliable sign of life of Osama. Obviously the CIA did not consider all the tapes and videos of the fake Osama, that were published by SITE intelligence from Israel, of any value.  ( The Israeli's don't care: its these video's that gave Bush his reelection. That's what counts.)




I think Osama was killed in 2001. 

Why ? He was a danger to the War on Terror.
Suppose the most evil terrorist would succeed in getting a video in the Media in which he explained to the world that he did not do 911, and to the moslims that terrorism was very counter-productive .....
that would be a disaster for the Jewish agenda: for the War on Terror.
Israel could not afford to let him live.

But also: it could not afford to have him officially dead in 2001 either.  That too would seriously hinder the coming 'War on Terror' , which was meant to destroy some arab countries and the muslims dignity, and the deployment of laws that diminish the rights of civilians ( Patriot Act).
Osama was needed as the mastermind that was a danger to the world.

Ferndale and David Ray Griffin gave us good arguments to believe that Osama indeed was dead.


What if Osama was indeed killed in Abottabad, on may 2 ? 

There are 3 possibilities then:


a) Osama was undetected untill a few months ago, and the story is as the Americans tell us now.
    As the story changed a few times since may 2, we do not know the exact details, of course.


b) Osama was protected by the CIA ànd ISI.  The Americans did not want him dead yet, as that would impair their War on Terror, but prevented him from any communication to the outside world. The Pakistani went along with that.


c) The CIA did not know where Osama was, and Osama was helped and protected by sympathising high ranking Pakistani army-people.


There was an interview on Al Jazeera, probably aired directly without any censoring, in which a man who lived in the street of Osama's hideout says the following: "to be honest: it is not true.... maybe some other people ( live there) but Osama .... it is not like a bird who can fly inside, because this is a restricted area... when we came here from outside, all this army will say ( = all the soldiers asked every time: ) "hey, where is your ID card ?" So it is not believable...." ( Jahangir Khan )

These are the kind of sources that I value very high. A comment given in the 'hour' of the event, not censored ! (the anchorman in the TV studio speaks life to the interviewer. Indeed: 'life from Abbotabad') , from a person who knows the place very well.

Therefore I do not believe that possibility a) can be true. It is impossible that Osama was hiding unnoticed by anyone. Why would he take the risk of living in a restricted area where the Army wants to see the ID card of everyone who walks into the street?  Wouldn't they become curious and suspicious if one family lived there who never left the house?


Now suppose b) was the truth.  The US ànd Pakistan knew about Osama's whereabouts.
Then the animosity and accusations from the US to Pakistan are just acted !?
I cannot believe that.  Much too risky. Before you know it some Pakistani comes with a proof that the Americans knew all the time where Osama was.... The Americans cannot take that risk.

This leaves possibility c):  that Osama was helped and protected by sympathising Pakistani Army people. (Not the official government. They knew nothing about it.)
All right. Sounds plausible.
But that would mean that these Pakistani, who hated Bush and America,  would see one fake Osama video after another appear in the Media, and never be tempted to end the farce by making a real interview with the real Osama.  If they had Alan Hart or John Pilger or Robert Fisk make a two hour interview with Osama, they could have  completely changed the world. No Bush re-election. A re-opening of the 911 investigation.   End of the War on Terror.
Why didn't they do it?
Too risky?
If that is too risky, then why did they allow the youngest wife and the children to come to Osama's hideout ?  Thàt  is risky.  Of coùrse the Americans were following this wife Amal all the time.
Do although it was plausibel that Osama was helped by sympathising strongmen in the Pakistani Army, I find it unlikely.  For the reasons I give above.

Osama was long dead and the whole 'Osama-palace' and raid were acted. 

I think therefore that the whole affair was a stage play. It gives the Americans the possibility to spread a lot of bad news about Osama ( from his 'diaries' etc.)
They changed the information several times.  ( Osama was fighting back... Osama was not fighting back. All the witnesses were killed..... there were  women and childeren wo survived)

It was not difficult for the Americans to have this 'palace' built and have some people living there.
After all: they had Osama killed in 2001 but did not find it opportune to tell the world.  So having a house very close to a Pakistani Army base might come in handy, later on..... when we decide to kill him, like the plot of 'Whose afraid of Virginia Woolf".  Makes it easy to accuse the Pakistani of betrayal.

The main proof was thrown into the sea..... for the wrong reasons. It is not done to give a muslim a seamans grave, I read.  And: if you really respect the muslim tradition and send the body back to his place of birth, you can monitor exactly who visits the grave: useful information.
So this is another reason for not believing the official story: they did not have Osama's corpse.

Now we hear some statements of the younger wife and of a young daughter.... but we did not see them .

Will we ever see them, giving evidence of their life together with Osama?
Are there photos and video's of the children growing up, pictured through the years, together with their father Osama?  That might convince me.
Are these alleged children DNA tested ?
Will that happen?

I hope it will happen, because then I know my theory was wrong.

Now we are not sure.

And in such a case it is not wise to believe the voices that have been betraying us time and again.
Think of the reasons for going to Irak:
First:  Weapons of Mass Destruction,
then: Saddam has ties to Al Qaida,
and finally: bringing democracy...
All of them were lies.
The only motive was: spreading chaos and civil war for the benefit of Israel.

As long as there are no proofs, I believe the story as outlined above.

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Last updates:
Alex Jones:  High US gov. insider says:  Osama was dead since 2001. ( Pieczenik ) ( Global Research

Was the raid in fact a complete disaster? ( Veterans Today)

ICH, 2013:  Mohammed Bashir, neighbor: One helicopter landed, and let 10 to 12 men out. These  people spoke pashtun.  They told us to stay in the house.  After some time the helicopter came back, together with 2 other helicopters.  Only the original one landed.  When they were all aboard, the helicopter exploded. All the dead bodies lay in teh compound. Me and people from the neighborhood went on the compound and saw them.   The two extra helicopters never landed. It is impossible that Osama was taken away by the Americans.  If he was in the helicopter he died in the explosion: ( Video )

Alex Jones: New Osama tapes identical to those of 4 years ago. Made by SITE or Intel Center.  ( SITE) ( Intel Center )  Note: Alex Jones never criticises Israel. SITE is not a 'Pentagon front group'. It's a jewish organisation that produces fake Osama tapes for years.

In a 7 mai 2011 CNN news report they know quite a lot about Bin Laden's wives, but it looks like they do not have even one photograph of even one of the wives !


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Paul Craig Roberts: 

Another Fake Bin Laden Story

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RT, one of my favorite news sources, has fallen for a fake story put out by the Pentagon to support the fantasy story that a SEAL team killed Osama bin Laden, who died a second time in Abbottabad, Pakistan, a decade after his first death from illness and disease.  http://rt.com/usa/202895-navy-seal-shot-binladen/  
This fake story together with the fake movie and the fake book by an alleged SEAL team member is the way the fake story of bin Laden’s murder is perpetrated. Bin Laden’s alleged demise at the hands of a SEAL team was a propaganda orchestration, the purpose of which was to give Obama a hero’s laurels and deep six Democratic talk of challenging his nomination for a second term.
Osama bin Laden died in December 2001 of renal failure and other health problems, having denied in his last recorded video any responsibility for 9/11, instead directing Americans to look inside their own government. The FBI itself has stated that there is no evidence that Osama bin Laden is responsible for 9/11. Bin Laden’s obituary appeared in numerous foreign and Arabic press, and also on Fox News.  No one can survive renal failure for a decade, and no dialysis machine was found in the alleged Abbottabad compound of bin Laden, who allegedly was murdered by SEALs a decade after his obituary notices.
Additionally, no one among the crew of the ship from which the White House reported bin Laden was buried at sea saw any such burial, and the sailors sent messages home to that effect.  Somehow a burial was held onboard a ship on which there are constant watches and crew on alert at all hours, and no one witnessed it.
Additionally, the White House story of the alleged murder of bin Laden changed twice within the first 24 hours.  The claim that Obama and his government watched the action transmitted live from cameras on the SEALs’ helmets was quickly abandoned, despite the release of a photo of the Obama regime intently focused on a TV set and alleged to be watching the live action. No video of the deed was ever released.  To date there is no evidence whatsoever in behalf of the Obama regime’s claim. Not one tiny scrap.  Just unsubstantiated self-serving claims.
Additionally, as I have made available on my website, witnesses interviewed by Pakistan TV reported that only one helicopter landed in Abbottabad and that when the occupants of the helicopter returned from the alleged bin Laden compound, the helicopter exploded on takeoff and there were no survivors.  In other words, there was no bin Laden corpse to deliver to the ship that did not witness a burial and no SEAL hero to return who allegedly murdered an unarmed bin Laden. Moreover, the BBC interviewed residents in Abbottabad, including those next door to the alleged “bin Laden compound,” and all say that they knew the person who lived there and it was not bin Laden.
Any SEAL who was so totally stupid as to kill the unarmed “Terror Mastermind” would probably have been courtmartialed for incompetency. Look at the smiling face of the man Who Killed Bin Laden.  He thinks that his claim that he murdered a man makes him a hero, a powerful comment on the moral degeneracy of Americans.
So what is this claim by Rob O’Neill about? He is presented as  a “motivational speaker” in search of clients.  What better ploy among gullible Americans than to claim “I am the one who shot bin Laden.”  Reminds me of the western movie: The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  What better way to give Rob O’Neill’s claim validity than for the Pentagon to denounce his revelation for breaking obligation to remain silent. The Pentagon claims that O’Neill by claiming credit has painted a big target sign on our door asking ISIS to come get us.
What unbelievable nonsense.  ISIS and anyone who believed Obama’s claim to have done in bin Laden already knew, if they believed the lie, that the Obama regime claimed responsibility for murdering an unarmed bin Laden.  The reason the SEAL team was prevented from talking is that no member of the team was on the alleged mission.
Just as the ship from which bin Laden was allegedly buried has no witnesses to the deed, the SEAL unit, whose members formed the team that allegedly dispatched an unarmed Terrorist Mastermind rather than to take him into custody for questioning, mysteriously died in a helicopter crash when they were loaded in violation of procedures in an unprotected 1960s vintage helicopter and sent into a combat zone in Afghanistan shortly after the alleged raid on “bin Laden’s compound.”
For awhile there were news reports that the families of these dead SEALS do not believe one word of the government’s account.  Moreover, the families reported receiving messages from the SEALs that suddenly they felt threatened and did not know why.  The SEALs had been asking one another: “Were you on the bin Laden mission?”  Apparently, none were. And to keep this a secret, the SEALs were sent to their deaths.
Anyone who believes anything the US government says is gullible beyond the meaning of the word.

Monday, May 02, 2011

139. Over de dood van Osama bin Laden.

This blog:  http://tiny.cc/x1fnu   Meer Osama:  Blog 140   

This blog has an interview with an eye-witness of the Abottabad raid: Blog 252.
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Ik was flink verbaasd dat Osama gedood was, enkele uren geleden.
Zelf ben ik door David Ray Griffin overtuigd dat Osama a heel waarschijnlijk sinds december 2001 dood is.

De argumenten van Griffin waren ongeveer als volgt:
- op films zien we een andere man dan Osama.
- de video's en geluidsbanden komen altijd op een voor het Westen gunstig moment.
- De teksten van de 'nieuwe Osama' zouden nooit zo door de echte Osama gezegd worden. Osama was erg religieus.
- De nieuwe Osama heeft nooit meer kritiek op Israel.
- Sinds december 2001 is Osama nooit meer 'waargenomen' ( via telefoons etc. )

Het was erg vreemd dat veel filmpjes als eerste door SITE Intelligence ( Rita Katz en Josh Devon, uit Israel) wereldkundig werden gemaakt. Alsof Osama zijn video's aan hen zou sturen !  Maar je weet het natuurlijk nooit:   hij heeft ook alleen maar joodse mensen gewaarschuwd voor de aanval van 911 ( werknemers van Odigo, en wellicht ook die van Goldman Sachs ( vraag maar aan Nina Brink.)

We zullen moeten afwachten met welke evidence de VS komt.
Twee uur geleden was ik nog vol verwachting  ( zie mijn reactie op Anarchiel: *)

Maar nu lees ik dat ze het lijk in zee gegooid hebben.
Zelfs de NY Times meldt dat.
Als dat waar is, dan wordt alles weer anders: dan staat nu wel vast dat  David Ray Griffin het bij het rechte eind had.  Dan was Osama al lang dood.

Maar zoals gezegd: even wachten wat we te zien krijgen, en welke mensen voor de camera komen.
Ze zullen toch wel enkele  'huisgenoten' van Osama levend meebrengen, en die zullen  toch wel melden dat Osama daar inderdaad al jaren woonde ! ? ( Zoals ze destijds ook een getuigenverklaring lieten afleggen voor leden van Het Congres: een huilende jongedame vertelde hoe  Iraakse soldaten in Kuweit  babies uit couveuses haalden en op de koude grond lieten sterven. Alleen maar om die couveuses mee naar Irak te kunnen nemen!  Het zijn beesten die Iraki's ! Het Congres was overtuigd en stemde voor de Golfoorloog. Nu weten we:    het verhaal was geheel in scene gezet ! )

Als ze zelfs dat niet doen, dan is het wel erg goedkoop opgelost.
Maar ze zullen vast wel een paar van dergelijke getuigen 'organiseren.'
En die wil ik dan wel eens goed bekijken.


NB: Het is toch verbazingwekkend dat alle politici in nederland nog steeds dachten dat Osama nog leefde.  Is er dan niemand die boeken leest, en de waarheid wil weten, en gezond verstand heeft ?

Nog enige info over Osama:
Osama heeft kort na 911 gezegd dat hij de aanslag van 911 veroordeelde, en er niets mee te maken had.  Een tijd later verscheen het eerste filmpje van SITE Intelligence waarin 'Osama' zegt dat hij 911 heeft 'gedaan'.  De verklaring van de echte Osama was nooit bekend gemaakt, maar is in 2010 door Leon Panetta ( baas van de CIA) vrij gegeven.
Ons beeld over Osama is dat beeld dat SITE Intelligence  de  wereld heeft in gestuurd.  Een onjuist beeld.

Er zijn meer bronnen die met goede argumenten beweren dat Osama al lang dood is: Ferndale.(*)

Update.  ( 2 mei, 21.30)


 Volkskrant 15.34 uur: Volgens The Wall Street Journal is Bin Laden op zee begraven om te kunnen voldoen aan de Islamitische tradities dat een lichaam binnen 24 uur moet worden begraven.


Nu dacht ik toch werkelijk dat er een wereldwijde oorlog wordt gepromoot tègen de islamitische tradities. 
DE ISLAM  is het grote gevaar. 
Zou er één moslim boos worden als het stoffelijk overschot van Osama niet meteen was begraven? 
En so what ?  Boze moslims: altijd goede reklame voor Israel. Een vorm van moslim-bashing die gratis is. 
De moslims hebben wel groter onrecht meegemaakt. 


Een ander argument was: 'de VS wil geen gewoon graf, want dat zou als bedevaartsoord kunnen gaan functioneren. 
Dat is gemakkelijk op te lossen: begraaf Osama op een totaal onbekende plaats, op een onbekend ogenlik.
Of geef hem desnoods over een week een zeemansgraf, na gedegen onderzoek. 


Er zijn heel veel mensen die met goede argumenten aantonen dat Osama al lang dood is. 
Er zijn politici die dat beweerd hebben, moslim-insiders etc. 
Àls hij nog leefde, dan lag hier een mogelijkheid om althans dit aspect van de Truth Movement onderuit te halen: Maak er veel werk van om te bewijzen dat dìt de echte Osama was. 
Inviteer de beste patholog-anatomen uit de Westerse en Oosterse wereld en laat hen met behulp van DNA van Osama's kinderen of familie vaststellen dat deze man Osama is.


Alle andere 'evidence' is weinig overtuigend. 


- Een fort laten bouwen in een gehucht in Pakistan is een klein kunstje voor de Mossad/CIA. 
Ik zou wel eens willen weten wie 'officieel' in  deze woning woonde. Die persoon is vermoedelijk beter gelieerd aan Mossad/CIA/ISI dan aan Osama. Voor dit plan hebben ze 10 jaar de tijd gehad. 


- De unit die de overval heeft gepleegd (Devgru) is een groep waar je alleen lid van kunt worden als jee gevraagd wordt. Neem maar van mij aan dat ze allen weten dat 'uit de school klappen' een vorm van zelfmoord is. Er uit stappen is alleen weggelegd voor zeer kiene figuren als Victor Ostrovski.


- Ik denk dat er nog wel een foto zal komen van Osama. Met photoshop is het niet zo moeilijk om een overtuigende foto te maken. Deze is al aardig gelukt. 




Een mogelijk scenario.
Het zou me niks verbazen als de Amerikanen al in 2001 over het lijk van Osama beschikten. 
Er is bij Tora Bora gebombardeerd met 'thermobaric bombs'. En dat overleeft niemand.(*) 
  
Hij was namelijk wel degelijk gevaarlijk voor Amerika: hij heeft op 24 september 2001 verklaard dat hij de aanslag van 911 sterk afkeurde. 
Dat bericht heeft de massamedia niet gehaald ( maar is in 2010 door de CIA als waar bevestigd).
Osama zou  de 'War on Terror' dus lelijk in de wielen kunnen rijden, als hij zulke uitspraken bleef doen. 


Een dode Osama, èn gefingeerde filmpjes van de Israelische organisatie SITE Intelligence, dàt is de juiste strategie: "Lets keep Osama 'alive' ". "Let's use him for our strategy".




De echte vraag voor mij is nu:  Waarom moest Osama nu van het toneel verwijnen ? 


Dàt hij een keer moest verdwijnen is natuurlijk onvermijdelijk. Je kunt hem dan passief laten verdwijnen: 'nooit meer iets van gehoord'. Of actief: je maakt een plan, bouwt een villa in Pakistan en wacht tot het moment dat je 'de dood van Osama' wil gebruiiken. 
Dat is nu gebeurd. 
Zou er een directe aanleiding zijn ? 
Voorlopig nog geen idee. 






Andere reacties.
Theunissen heeft gelijk: Sheikh Omar heeft in sept. 2001 aangeboden aan Bush dat de Afghanen zelf Osama zouden uitleveren, mits hij een rechtvaardig proces zou krijgen. ( Die eis van Omar was wel logisch: hij schoffeerde de arabische wereld al genoeg met dit aanbod. Maar wat doe je als je weet dat jouw land vernietigd zal worden ..... ) 
De Amerikanen dachten dat de strijd tegen het terrorisme effectiever zou zijn als je de hulp van 30 miljoen Afghanen af wijst en tegelijk 30 miljoen Afghanen een motief geeft om Osama te helpen. 


Over de foto: http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6568249-webs-bin-laden-death-photo-just-the-photo-is-fake

Karl Kraut:
 - Er zijn geen onafhankelijke getuigen in leven. Dus de Amerikanen kunnen beweren wat ze willen. 
- Osama wilde niet opvallen, en dus daarom had hij in Abbottobad een stuk land dat 8 keer groter was dan het gemiddelde en een huis dat 3 keer groter was.




Een foto.




Wat zien we op de foto? 

“President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, along with members of the national security team, receive an update on the mission against Osama bin Laden in the Situation Room of the White House, May 1, 2011.”

'The Situation Room".  Dat is een flinke kamer van 460 vierkante meter !  Op wikipedia zien we dat het een langwerpige kamer is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Situation_Room
Maar iemand heeft het scherm vlak bij de deur gezet, en naar de deur toe, zodat er maar weinig plaats is. De president zit in een hoekje, andere passanten(?) kijken via de deur toe.
Bij toeval was er dan ook nog een fotograaf die iedereen fotografeerde.
Allemaal gespannen gezichten.  Ze zijn wellicht bang dat die 40 commando's niet in staat zijn om  die twee schietende Koeriers en een schietende Osama uit te schakelen.   Zou zomaar kunnen, nietwaar ?
Enfin, de foto doet wat ie moet doen: de domme massa de indruk geven dat er een riskante actie heeft plaatsgevonden.

Een opvallend interview op al Jazeera: Jahangir Khan, bovenste  video..

Een interview met een buurtbewoner. Hij spreekt goed engels, en was aan het spreken met een vriend in Engeland toen hij de helicopter ( 'hollycaptor')  hoorde.
Drie minuten lang vertelt hij wat hij zag en hoorde. Na 3 minuten, in de  laatste woorden van het interview zegt hij plotseling: "to be honest: it is not true.... maybe some other people ( live there) but Osama .... it is not like a bird who can fly inside, because this is a restricted area... when we came here from outside, all this army will say ( = all the soldiers asked every time: ) "hey, where is your ID card ?" So it is not believable...."

Aha ! Het is een restricted area. Niet iedereen kan zomaar binnen.  Bewaakt door Pakistaanse militairen.   Iedereen die onbekend is bij de militairen wordt aangehouden en wordt naar zijn legitimatie gevraagd. Het 'Leger' weet dus wie daar wonen, en welke mensen ze op bezoek krijgen. Nu zal Osama zich niet als 'Osama bin Laden' hebben gemeld, maar als er zo streng toezicht is, hoe komen die koeriers dan steeds bij Osama langs zonder te worden opgemerkt ?  En wie woonde daar officieel ?  Die man wil ik zien. 

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*) Ferndale schrijft: US intelligence officials base the claim that Bin Laden was at the caves of Tora Bora in December 2001 on intercepted mobile phone conversations emanating from that region. Ever since the bombing of the Tora Bora caves, Osama bin Laden’s voice has never again been heard from a source that can be trusted. According to Robert Baer, an ex-member of the CIA, at least half of the US intelligence community concerned with this issue believe Osama was killed during the bombing at Tora Bora. I suspect the percentage is higher. My argument is simple: if he was in the Tora Bora complex when it was bombed in December 2001, then he certainly died during that bombing, because nothing living could have survived it. Here are my reasons.
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