291 Former Al-Qaida leader Nabil Naiim interview. Full text written out. Nabeel Naeem.

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On 21 june 2013  an interview appeared on youtube with a former close ally to Bin Laden and today's Al Qaida leader al-Zawahiri: sheikh Nabil Naiim.

Here is the full text of the interview, written out in English.

I copied it from the video.  The translation on the video was done with incomplete interpunction. Sentences were sometimes not translated completely, I think.

I copied the video -text as litterally as possible.
The words in black are spoken by the Sheikh.
The words in Red were added by me. For clarification, or to add some words that make the sentences more intelligible.                    
I have done all the underlining, and made some words bold or in Caps lock.

Under the interview you can find some remarks by myself.

Here you find the video: ( Video )
Total time: 24 minutes. ( Time indicated in text)

Introduction:

Skeikh Nabil Naiim is considered to be a historical leader of the Islamic Jihadist movement in Egypt, the same group who committed random acts of violence within the country and announced a war against the Egyptian Government conducting bombings, assassinations, and even direct encounters engaging Egyptian police. Sheikh Nabil Naiim is well known for his direct involvement with the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar Al-Sadat, as well as the attempted assassination of the previous president Husny Mubarak.

He moved from Egypt to Pakistan accompanying Ayman Al-Zawahiri, and there he led the Safwa training camp where the primary Cadres of Al-Quaeda were initiated. There he was introduced to Abdul-Allah Azzam, and Ousama Bin-Laden, and established a close friendship with them.

He then moved to Sudan along with Zawahiri. There he was officially recognized as an Al-Quaeda member when Zawahiri joined them himself. He was then apprehended by the Egyptian authorities in 1994 during his attempt to enter Egypt. There he was engaged in a firefight with the authorities outside Cairo's airport where he sustained a heavy injury to the head. After his treatment, he was tortured and imprisoned in isolation for 10 years.
He wasn't released until Mubarak's regime had fallen. Upon his release he was joined by about 2000 of his loyalists who owed him great believe and respect to his ideology. After contemplating what he used to believe in he adopted rather modest and reasonable principles and abandoned his violence and Takfeer mindset except against Israel.

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The interview:

Interviewer:  Sheikh Nabil, you offered several years of your life in what is known as the Jihad movement in Egypt as well as Afghanistan and you weren’t released until Husny Mubarak’s regime had fallen.

Looking upon your own personal experience now, and comparing it with what is happening in Syria, what would you like to share with those who are going to Syria, thinking that they are fighting in God’s name ?

Nabil Naiim:  In the name of God, praise be to God, O God exalt Prophet’s Muhammad. 
There is a huge difference between Jihad in Afghanistan, and the so called Jihad in Syria.  That is because Afghanistan was invaded by the Soviet Union, who is considered to be a foreign enemy. Many of the Muslim clerics declared the plausibility and necessity of Jihad in Afghanistan to free it from Marxist forces which is what we associated our movement in Afghanistan with.

2.37 ( time in minutes on the video)

Regardles of the pro- /cons , the results of the Syrian uprising, it is a complete different situation where no foreign invasion is upon the country, or is it being occupied.( sic)

The real invader is our Zionist enemy a few Km’s  away from Syria, who settled in Palestine for 60 years.
If such Jihad should be practised in Syria it should be against Zionist parties occupying Palestine. However,  it is not the case in Syria.

Rather it’s a hatefull division ( Fitna) that has been in hibernation,  May God Curse those who had awaken  it. May God Curse those who had awaken  it.

I would like to tell my brothers in Syria,  those  engaged in the fight, I do not doubt their pure intentions in any way.

3.40

That you are being fooled and manipulated by an American plot to succeed in fulfilling their goals in the area, such as dividing the Arab world ito smaller religious and racial groups  overwhelmed with hatred to each other.

America did neither wear the Hijab nor convert to Islam, to be fighting to solve the conflict in Syria…   what is wrong with you brothers.

Are they fighting to establish Islamic Khilafa or is it fighting to enforce God’s Shari’a in Syria ?

You say ‘Americans are fighting for Democracy,’ but have you seen Democracy in Irak ?

When and where did Americans ever support Democracy, it is the lie that Noam Chomsky mentioned in his book,  what did Uncle Sam say.

He said Democracy is an illusion that we use to deceive people.

You are fighting for when this war is over, the mercenaries and agents that US is preparing residing in some Hotel in Turkey or London will move in  to establish a new government and a new crew to attend the Geneva Conventions.

5.00

This government shall take over if Bashar al-Assad’s  regime has fallen and will bow down and obey The US and Israel more than any other government.

Thus comes your turns (sic).

You are sinning in the name of Democracy,

You will be called terrorists and your fate will be either death or prison like what happened to us when we came back from Afghanistan.

The US have allowed us to fight for 15 years in Aghanistan, and have funded us and supported us,

Even our amputees and wounded were getting treatment and prostatic limbs in London and European Hospitals,  not at our own expenses of course  for we are poor people owning nothing,

But rather from the Help and aid we were getting who tried to look neutral on the surface when actually are Zionist accomplices.

After receiving their support, we are now labeled terrorists and imprisoned for 20 years.

Americans were aware of everything happening and they made us Sin in the name of Human rights, and we later discovered that this is another deceiving lie that Americans use to manipulate people

We were tortured in prisons, and Americans withdrew from the whole scenario, and Human rights meant nothing to them in our case  anymore.

They do not care about Shari’a, or about the Muslim Khilafa,

6.50

Their only concerns are their own benefits from any situation in the area that can be summoned up by 2 concepts:

1. Maintaing Economic, and Military Israeli superiority above all Arab nations.
2. Stealing Islamic nations fortunes

That is why Americans got involved in the war, and you are fighting the Syrian regime on their behalf and in case that the regime falls, your turn shall come, you will be pronounced terrorists and get executed or imprisoned.

Was the Shari’a or the Khilafa indeed fulfilled and established in Afghanistan ?

Now I would like to Address Dr. Ayman who is recruiting fighters against the regime in Syria, 

we have fought in Afghanistan for 14 years side by side

thus came  Karadayi ( Hamid Karzai ?) and took advantage of the situation,  now you are homeless and on the run without shelter.

Is that the Khilafa you promised yourself

After fighting for 20 years you are declaring establishing a Khilafa and you can’t even guarantee your own safety … what Khilafa are you talking about

Was it established at the hands of Abu Mis’ab Al-Zarkawi in Irak where the Iraqi people were ravaged by war and burnt in fires….  Was it established in Yemen or Sudan,

Even the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt who succeeded in winning the Egyptian presidential election,  have they established a Khilafa.

The story of the Khilafa is just another Lie created by the US to deceive you in fighting the war for them.

Interviewer:  There are many of those declaring Jihad that justify their fighting in Syria with the fact that it is self-defence and that it is a fight for freedom in the way of the Muslim Brotherhood

Or the Muslim nation that is being abused by the regime.

Can’t you identify with that, as self defence is a duty ?

Nabil Naiim:  

First of all these are make-belief lies that are being lead into and I swear to you by God and ask Ayman al Zawahiri to testify to the truth of what I am about to say in this story that he told me and introduced me to its protagonist

9.00

I urge him justify and falsify what I am about to say….. God is my witness, in fromt of whom we will be judged on judgement day:

During the conflict between president Hafid al Assad and the Muslim Brotherhood movement in the eighties, a Syrian man went to Sheikh Ahmad al-Kabtan in Kuwait, he informed him that 200 women in the Syrian prisons were abused and raped    were impregnated by their offenders   

So what shall the verdict be as to should these women abort their pregnancies or carry on with it.

The Sheikh cried in good intentions and announced the case in a speech 

Spreading the dramatc news from Kuwait to Mauretania like wildfire leaving the same impression in all its audience until myself and Ayman al-Zawahiri met up Abu Mis’aab the Syrian military leader of the Hama battle

We lived with him at his own residence in Shambat Sudan for a month. He assured us and swore to God that the rumour the Syrian man had started in Kuwait was nothing but a lie fabricated by him.

Mind you we’re hearing this not from the Syrian Regime , but from the leader of Muslim Brotherhood in Hama running the battles against the Syrians..

The man fabricated this lie to embezzle five million Kuwaiti dinar as donations,

11.00

With which he opened a furniture factory and bussiness in Italy.

Henceforth all the things we hear about the Syrian Regime are nothing but lies.

Ayman himself granted me access to the facts of the Muslim resistance against the Syrian regime
( Naiim tells us about the fight against Hafiz al-Assad, about 30 years ago:) 

He said that the Islamic leaders were overwhelmed with wealth when not a single penny was being spent on Mujaheddin on the battlefield.

There is even a document, which Ayman and I read , in the form of a speech sent from Adnan Oukla, One of the Mujaheddin leaders to Issam al-Attar in Germany.

Reporting the need for financial support and the lack of cooperation from some of the assets that are embezzling money in the name of the fight,

Leaders such as Said Ahwwa and Abu Jaffaral-Masri and many other names that Ayman remembers better than I do.

These people have pocketed millions while the Mujaheddin in Syria couldn’t even find shelter and were falling one after another

Adnan complained to Issam al-Attar, asking him about the millions that Said Ahwwa gathered.

He only sent me 250.000 $ in the past year, our Mujaheddin are dying with no shelters sleeping in parks gasstations and trainstations
( So far Naiim's example of the olden days) 

13.00

These are the leaders manipulating you and taking advantage of you, a group of thieves and mercenaries.  You’ll find yourselves dying instead of the Americans fullfilling THEIR ( the American's ) goals instead of yours.

I would also like to bring light to those that are calling themselves Islamists and claiming to seek the Khilafa.

The ones that got the Iraqi Baath support and were offered a station by Saddam Hussain. Is the Iraqi Baath movement leading Muslims today ?  Or is Saddam our Khalifa ? ( I suppose/conclude that Saddam once  promised the Sunni's their Caliphate, in exchange for help )

The difference between Saddam and Hafiz al Assad is that Saddam is using religion as a trade.

History repeats itself today with Bashar al-Assad.

Who is he that called up on you to fight against him in the name of God?

14.00

Was Bashar the one that attacked and ordered the killings in Palestine,  or the Qana massacre in Lebanon ? Where is the answer to the Israeli killings.

Is Israel the face of Democracy today?  
Or did they declare Islam as their own religion?
(Meaning: did the Israeli's all change to islam, is that why you obey them ? ) 

What happened to your minds …..

You are being manipulated and in a case that you are not even involved in.

Interviewer: But there is a lot of controversy over the Syrian government killing Muslim protectors, does not this give them a reason to fight back against offenders ?

Nabil Naiim: When the revolution in Egypt started there were around a 1000 casualties, the real strength of the retaliation was in its peaceful approach and if the revolution was to be answered by force, with weapons, they would have lost their cause

This is a revolution,  ( Meaning: blood shed is unavoidable)   
how many were killed in Iran’s revolution ?

Around 200-300 were killed in Syria, and I am sure it wasn’t President Bashar’s orders, but they were rather individual actions of the militants dealing with protesters

In Egypt all those who have killed civilians were granted amnesty and were declared innocent.

Thus no one was held responsible for the deaths that occurred.

You can’t blame Al-Assad’s regime for the killings, it could have been anybody, agents, Mossad agents perhaps.  We cannot thus hold the goverrnment responsable.

How many Iranians have fallen to get (rid) of the Shah regime

16.00

I will tell you a story about the Sadik Kudb al-Zada ( who) addressed al-Imam al-Kumayni and informed him of a succesfull agreement with Jamal abdul Nassir to support and arm them against the Shah.

The Imam told him ‘No matter how much we get, we can never stand up to Shah. We are thus waiting for the Iranian people to stand up for themselves against his tyranny.’ When they do so our job then is to defend them, and that is how the Revolution Guards were established.  
The moral is that in any retaliation ( rebellion ?) against oppression, there will be casualties.

I am not saying the killings are righteous, but rather those that are committing them are manipulated assets.  Like the ones granted amnesty in Egypt.

Some said they were Mossad from Gaza,  some said other things.

Give me an exmple where a single officer responsible of any killings that was prosecuted,  it hasn’t happened.

We, therefore, cannot accuse the Syrian regime by killing its people…. There was no investigation launched, and we cannot hold the government responsible.

We are way too use for these lies ( =  We are very much used too these lies ? )

For the one purpose of congregating the crowds in propaganda. ( Lies are used to make propaganda in order to unite the crowds )

Those that were fighting Hafiz al-Assad then made a peace agreement with him  and bowed down to him after they pocketed billions

Interviewer:  Today there are thousands of Mujaheddin in Syria, how do you think they have managed to convince those crowds to fight in Syria ( on a mental scale) , and what is your opinion about it ?

18.00

Nabil Naiim: 
They first convinced them that fighting an infidel who reverted from Islam, is more worthy than fighting those  called upon in the holy book, which is a complete misleading idea.

Fighting those who oppressed muslims, and raped their culture and their fate and invaded their lands is more important than fighting a so-called reverted muslim.

The Zionists have invaded our lands, raped our families, forced us out of our homes…..

So what else are we waiting for

Calling Bashar a reverted Muslim is a lie…

Who are those that declared that ? …..

As far as I am concerned, he is a Sunni who declared that he is a Sunni brother ( Meaning: like a brother to the Sunni's ?) who believes in a muslim brotherhood the day he got married

Even if he is not a Sunni,  as long as he isn’t imposing a war on your religion,  your fasting, or your prayer ( he is OK) 

The only country that called for social equality was Syria,  the only country where the poor can live and survive is Syria,  the only country in the third world that had not a single $ in debt was Syria

Thus Hafiz al-Assad was providing the important life-basics and essentials for his people…. ( Meaning:  Bashar al-Assad ? ) 

So why are we starting a conflict.

Interviewer: There is oppression and dictatorship; the people need the freedom of speech which they did not have as you  ( have now…?)

Nabil Naiim:  My dear sir, we support freedom of speech, but we were supporting negociations, not fights.  Starting fights was a wrong step. And Bashar had the willingness for negotiations

The readiness to make changes for the freedom of Media, making a difference between his regime and Hafiz’s regime

And we saw the beginnings of it.

Does this call for turning the people against the government.

20.00

Since when does America promote freedom of speech, look what they are doing in Nicaragua,  Honduras and El Salvador…

They carry out massacres.

When did Americans ever provide freedom to anybody.

Their freedom is that of Dogs.

They allow you to bark but they will never get you near the bone

Bark as much as you like but never interfere with their greater interests.

And I asked dr. Saad el-Din Al-Ibrahimi, my close friend, who is cooperating with the Americans

What exactly is the American goal in the Middle East area;

I have never seen them work for anyone’s freedom.

He said: They are only concerned with their personal interests;  

That is the self-profit policy of the US

Interviewer:  Are you against McCains visit to Syria …

John McCain who announeced that he supports the idea of arming the Syrian opposition and supporting it. Are you against this idea ?

John McCain the Senator.

Nabil Naiim:  Who does John McCain think he is ,  in what position is he to negotiate anything with the Opposition.  You think he is going to be talking about initiating the Khilafa ??

The fellows that are fighting are declaring Jihad for the Khilafa initiation, not for McCains democracy, they are infidels with ( meaning: these fellows do not believe in democracy themselves)  their own democracy, they consider voting as a sin, democracy is a sin

22.00

So how did McCain decide to negotiate with the Nusra Army ??

Who do you think he went there to negotiate with ?

He went there to negotiate with his mercenariers,  and his filthy agents.

Those guys are willing to do what Bashar al-Assad would not do to the people.

Interviewer: For example ?

Nabil Naiim:  Like yielding for Israel , dividing Syria and the annihilation of moqawama (  Hezbollahh) and dropping the Golan Heights case

Interviewer: Do you think that there is a way to convince the resistance that the negotiations with the regime will be more fruitfull than that with the Americans ?

Nabil Naiim: First of all, the Nusra Army were declared terrorist by the Americans  and they ( Americans?) are ready to destroy them, and the ( Syrian?) Army will never negotiate with them

That was done because the Syria conflict is nearing the end, and the Americans are preparing for the annihilation of the Nusra Army by declaring them terrorists.

They declared them terrorists as they owe ( owe = must/ should/ ought to) …. ( because)  they declare themselves to be followers of Ayman al Zawahiri.

So that is simply an excuse to remove them, and I personally believe that the leader of the Nusra army,  who declared his support for Ayman al Zawahiri is a CIA operative in the Al Nusra,

The leader’s been fighting in Syria for 2 years and he just decided to call upon Ayman…

After he pocketed millions

What do you expect from Ayman to do ,  send you scud missiles

He owns nothing and he is constantly on the move.

All he owns is a recording that he releases every 6 months.

But these however are his ( the leader of Al Nusra )orders from the Americans

He is asked to portrait the Nusra Army in Syria as Aymans followers giving the Americans an excuse to remove them from the equasion….

A plot orchestrated by Americans and Israeli’s

24.00

End of the interview.