Tuesday, February 28, 2017

593 The Strategy. De strategie.


Today I read an article which was the missing link in my explanation of how Israel and the US work.

First how they work:
1. They make their opponent look bad: all negative aspects, true or false, are broadcast again and again.

2. Then they elicit an attack from the opponent, or commit a false flag themselves.

3.Then they retaliate for the 'attack'.

4. An alternative route: After villification they will invade the country or support rebels and liberate the poor people who are suffering from the tyrant.


Now I want to explain why the people believe the  'villification' of the opponent.  (Het zwart maken van de opponent, zoals bij Saddam, Ghadaffi en Assad en Putin gebeurde).

As I wrote here , a False Flag should use blood and suffering.  That makes a deep impression in the brain, which cannot erased by facts that may become known later on.

Zorg voor bloed, zodat de mensen extra alert en ontvankelijk worden ( hun leven is mogelijk in gevaar) en wijs zo snel mogelijk naar diegene die je als dader wil aanmerken.  Er ontstaat een sterke associatie tussen de gruweldaad en de (beweerde) dader. Die associatie is later niet snel weg te wissen. Harde bewijzen hebben geen effect meer.
Now I have read an article which shows that there were psychological experiment who already showed these same effects: that emotions prevail above facts. The earlier conviction will not be replaced by the truth when facts show up later and show the truth.
If you can tell the lie first, the truth will have a hard time getting into the heads of the people.
Or, as Lev Tolstoy said it: "De moeilijkste onderwerpen kunnen worden uitgelegd aan de meest traag van begrip zijnde man als hij zich nog geen mening heeft gevormd over de zaak, maar het eenvoudigste voorval kan niet duidelijk worden gemaakt aan de meest intelligente man als die al  stevig ervan overtuigd is dat hij al weet, zonder een schaduw van twijfel, wat er gebeurd is."


Here is the article: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46553.htm
and here: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds?mbid=social_twitter

Title: Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds
By Elizabeth Kolbert

First she shows some experiments that show us that people will always keep believing their first information, even if later they hear it was wrong.  
So, what they see is biased by their earlier (and now proved wrong) impression. 

This is even worse than the phenomenon of 'confirmation bias', which only means that we look at the world through a filter of what we think we will see. 
Or: Our prejudices influence what we see. 
Or: We  tend to see the things we expect, and not to see the facts that do falsify our existing confirmation. 

This confirmation bias does not make us 'fitter' in evolutionary respect. It is a negative trait for survival, becauase we are not able to see the real truth. 
How is this possible?  Evolution should have weeded this out.

In the second half of the article  mrs Kolbert gives us the new theory about how this can be understood. 

Below is the rest of the article, which explains that.

But now I want to stress one important point: 
If humans are ' irrepairable ' influenced by ' first impressions'  and  'emotional and threatening dangers' ,  then a False Flag and a False Accusation is a very useful tool. It does not matter if the truth would come out later on. 
Especially if you can control the media, there will be very little influence of this truth coming to be known later on. 
So this in turn means: If you control the Media, you are able to make the people believe what you want, and they will keep the wrong view of the situation.  As long as you are the first one to inform them. 


Now, here is the rest of mrs Kolbert's article: 
If reason is designed to generate sound judgments, then it’s hard to conceive of a more serious design flaw than confirmation bias. Imagine, Mercier and Sperber suggest, a mouse that thinks the way we do. Such a mouse, “bent on confirming its belief that there are no cats around,” would soon be dinner. To the extent that confirmation bias leads people to dismiss evidence of new or underappreciated threats—the human equivalent of the cat around the corner—it’s a trait that should have been selected against. The fact that both we and it survive, Mercier and Sperber argue, proves that it must have some adaptive function, and that function, they maintain, is related to our “hypersociability.”
Mercier and Sperber prefer the term “myside bias.” Humans, they point out, aren’t randomly credulous. Presented with someone else’s argument, we’re quite adept at spotting the weaknesses. Almost invariably, the positions we’re blind about are our own.
A recent experiment performed by Mercier and some European colleagues neatly demonstrates this asymmetry. Participants were asked to answer a series of simple reasoning problems. They were then asked to explain their responses, and were given a chance to modify them if they identified mistakes. The majority were satisfied with their original choices; fewer than fifteen per cent changed their minds in step two.
In step three, participants were shown one of the same problems, along with their answer and the answer of another participant, who’d come to a different conclusion. Once again, they were given the chance to change their responses. But a trick had been played: the answers presented to them as someone else’s were actually their own, and vice versa. About half the participants realized what was going on. Among the other half, suddenly people became a lot more critical. Nearly sixty per cent now rejected the responses that they’d earlier been satisfied with.
This lopsidedness, according to Mercier and Sperber, reflects the task that reason evolved to perform, which is to prevent us from getting screwed by the other members of our group. Living in small bands of hunter-gatherers, our ancestors were primarily concerned with their social standing, and with making sure that they weren’t the ones risking their lives on the hunt while others loafed around in the cave. There was little advantage in reasoning clearly, while much was to be gained from winning arguments.
Among the many, many issues our forebears didn’t worry about were the deterrent effects of capital punishment and the ideal attributes of a firefighter. Nor did they have to contend with fabricated studies, or fake news, or Twitter. It’s no wonder, then, that today reason often seems to fail us. As Mercier and Sperber write, “This is one of many cases in which the environment changed too quickly for natural selection to catch up.”
Steven Sloman, a professor at Brown, and Philip Fernbach, a professor at the University of Colorado, are also cognitive scientists. They, too, believe sociability is the key to how the human mind functions or, perhaps more pertinently, malfunctions. They begin their book, “The Knowledge Illusion: Why We Never Think Alone” (Riverhead), with a look at toilets.
Virtually everyone in the United States, and indeed throughout the developed world, is familiar with toilets. A typical flush toilet has a ceramic bowl filled with water. When the handle is depressed, or the button pushed, the water—and everything that’s been deposited in it—gets sucked into a pipe and from there into the sewage system. But how does this actually happen?
In a study conducted at Yale, graduate students were asked to rate their understanding of everyday devices, including toilets, zippers, and cylinder locks. They were then asked to write detailed, step-by-step explanations of how the devices work, and to rate their understanding again. Apparently, the effort revealed to the students their own ignorance, because their self-assessments dropped. (Toilets, it turns out, are more complicated than they appear.)
Sloman and Fernbach see this effect, which they call the “illusion of explanatory depth,” just about everywhere. People believe that they know way more than they actually do. What allows us to persist in this belief is other people. In the case of my toilet, someone else designed it so that I can operate it easily. This is something humans are very good at. We’ve been relying on one another’s expertise ever since we figured out how to hunt together, which was probably a key development in our evolutionary history. So well do we collaborate, Sloman and Fernbach argue, that we can hardly tell where our own understanding ends and others’ begins.
“One implication of the naturalness with which we divide cognitive labor,” they write, is that there’s “no sharp boundary between one person’s ideas and knowledge” and “those of other members” of the group.
This borderlessness, or, if you prefer, confusion, is also crucial to what we consider progress. As people invented new tools for new ways of living, they simultaneously created new realms of ignorance; if everyone had insisted on, say, mastering the principles of metalworking before picking up a knife, the Bronze Age wouldn’t have amounted to much. When it comes to new technologies, incomplete understanding is empowering.
Where it gets us into trouble, according to Sloman and Fernbach, is in the political domain. It’s one thing for me to flush a toilet without knowing how it operates, and another for me to favor (or oppose) an immigration ban without knowing what I’m talking about. Sloman and Fernbach cite a survey conducted in 2014, not long after Russia "annexed" the Ukrainian territory of Crimea. Respondents were asked how they thought the U.S. should react, and also whether they could identify Ukraine on a map. The farther off base they were about the geography, the more likely they were to favor military intervention. (Respondents were so unsure of Ukraine’s location that the median guess was wrong by eighteen hundred miles, roughly the distance from Kiev to Madrid.)
Surveys on many other issues have yielded similarly dismaying results. “As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding,” Sloman and Fernbach write. And here our dependence on other minds reinforces the problem. If your position on, say, the Affordable Care Act is baseless and I rely on it, then my opinion is also baseless. When I talk to Tom and he decides he agrees with me, his opinion is also baseless, but now that the three of us concur we feel that much more smug about our views. If we all now dismiss as unconvincing any information that contradicts our opinion, you get, well, the Trump Administration.
“This is how a community of knowledge can become dangerous,” Sloman and Fernbach observe. The two have performed their own version of the toilet experiment, substituting public policy for household gadgets. In a study conducted in 2012, they asked people for their stance on questions like: Should there be a single-payer health-care system? Or merit-based pay for teachers? Participants were asked to rate their positions depending on how strongly they agreed or disagreed with the proposals. Next, they were instructed to explain, in as much detail as they could, the impacts of implementing each one. Most people at this point ran into trouble. Asked once again to rate their views, they ratcheted down the intensity, so that they either agreed or disagreed less vehemently.
Sloman and Fernbach see in this result a little candle for a dark world. If we—or our friends or the pundits on CNN—spent less time pontificating and more trying to work through the implications of policy proposals, we’d realize how clueless we are and moderate our views. This, they write, “may be the only form of thinking that will shatter the illusion of explanatory depth and change people’s attitudes.”
One way to look at science is as a system that corrects for people’s natural inclinations. In a well-run laboratory, there’s no room for myside bias; the results have to be reproducible in other laboratories, by researchers who have no motive to confirm them. And this, it could be argued, is why the system has proved so successful. At any given moment, a field may be dominated by squabbles, but, in the end, the methodology prevails. Science moves forward, even as we remain stuck in place.
In “Denying to the Grave: Why We Ignore the Facts That Will Save Us” (Oxford), Jack Gorman, a psychiatrist, and his daughter, Sara Gorman, a public-health specialist, probe the gap between what science tells us and what we tell ourselves. Their concern is with those persistent beliefs which are not just demonstrably false but also potentially deadly, like the conviction that vaccines are hazardous. Of course, what’s hazardous is not being vaccinated; that’s why vaccines were created in the first place. “Immunization is one of the triumphs of modern medicine,” the Gormans note. But no matter how many scientific studies conclude that vaccines are safe, and that there’s no link between immunizations and autism, anti-vaxxers remain unmoved. (They can now count on their side—sort of—Donald Trump, who has said that, although he and his wife had their son, Barron, vaccinated, they refused to do so on the timetable recommended by pediatricians.)
The Gormans, too, argue that ways of thinking that now seem self-destructive must at some point have been adaptive. And they, too, dedicate many pages to confirmation bias, which, they claim, has a physiological component. They cite research suggesting that people experience genuine pleasure—a rush of dopamine—when processing information that supports their beliefs. “It feels good to ‘stick to our guns’ even if we are wrong,” they observe.
The Gormans don’t just want to catalogue the ways we go wrong; they want to correct for them. There must be some way, they maintain, to convince people that vaccines are good for kids, and handguns are dangerous. (Another widespread but statistically insupportable belief they’d like to discredit is that owning a gun makes you safer.) But here they encounter the very problems they have enumerated. Providing people with accurate information doesn’t seem to help; they simply discount it. Appealing to their emotions may work better, but doing so is obviously antithetical to the goal of promoting sound science. “The challenge that remains,” they write toward the end of their book, “is to figure out how to address the tendencies that lead to false scientific belief.”
“The Enigma of Reason,” “The Knowledge Illusion,” and “Denying to the Grave” were all written before the November election. And yet they anticipate Kellyanne Conway and the rise of “alternative facts.” These days, it can feel as if the entire country has been given over to a vast psychological experiment being run either by no one or by Steve Bannon. Rational agents would be able to think their way to a solution. But, on this matter, the literature is not reassuring. 
Elizabeth Kolbert has been a staff writer at The New Yorker since 1999. She won the 2015 Pulitzer Prize for general nonfiction for “The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History.”
 
This article appears in other versions of the February 27, 2017, issue, with the headline “That’s What You Think.”



Saturday, February 18, 2017

592 Israel Shamir over de eeuwenoude strijd tussen Joden en Christenen.

Jacobijnen, Hugenoten, aanhangers van Cromwell, de backers van Trotsky, en de Neocons: allemaal ' joodse vrienden'  of groeperingen die de Christelijke macht wilden breken en zelf het heft in handen nemen?


Double Dreyfus
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The Dreyfus Affair, by Piers Paul Read. Bloomsbury. London 2012, ISBN 978-1408801390
The Prague Cemetery, by Umberto Eco. Harvill Secker 2011, ISBN 978-1846554919]
Alfred Dreyfus, a French Jewish officer, was jailed for spying at the end of the 19thcentury. His case divided France, and ended with resounding victory for Dreyfus’ supporters. Consequently, Dreyfus was exonerated and reinstalled in the army. Now, a hundred years later, he has made a comeback. His story is about to become a film directed by Roman Polanski. A brilliant British Catholic writer, Piers Paul Read, published a 400 page book called The Dreyfus Affair, written by the superb pen of a master in search of the truth. Some pages in The Prague Cemetery by the ‘intellectual bestseller’ writer Umberto Eco deal with it as well.
Salvation Islands, French Guiana
Salvation Islands, French Guiana
Why does this story still attract writers and readers? So many people were and are arrested for security offences, quite a few of them unjustly, and suffer long prison sentences or worse. Dreyfus spent four years on Iles de Salut in French Guiana (a picture on the left), not far from Guantanamo, where hundreds of security prisoners languished for a decade (and some still do). Eighty thousand convicts (including the Papillon) went through the Guiana penal colony; so why is Dreyfus still important?
According to PP Read, this case was important because it was used against the Catholic Church. Although ostensibly the Church was not involved, the victory of the Dreyfusards was turned into a profound defeat of the Catholic Church. Perhaps an innocent man was saved, but Christian France was surely lost. The France of Henry James was gone and buried, and a new order came to France, with the media taking the place of the Church in guiding the masses, and moneyed classes taking over the nobility. This defeat of the Church was a milestone in what was described as Kali Yuga by Rene Guenon, the French traditionalist (he was 10 when Dreyfus was arrested).
The question of Dreyfus’s guilt or innocence was a minor point of little relevance, in comparison with the consequences of the case. He was a precursor of the long line of human rights’ martyrs produced by mass media, all these refuseniks, dissidents, wrongly arrested spies and what-not. Some of them were guilty and some were innocent, but each case attacked the sovereignty of the state and its traditional structures, at the same time strengthening the Empire and its Right to Protect, equipped with the latest weaponry. Dreyfus’s case was also supported by England (the US of the time) and helped to entrench pro-British elements in the French establishment.
Catholic view
Read provides the reader with a Catholic perspective. Although he gives a detailed and honest presentation of the Dreyfus affair, it is not central to his narrative in the same way that the fate of Catholicism in France is. He discusses what happened to the Catholic Church and its flock in France in these fateful years and has written a very important book for the modern reader precisely for this reason.
Piers Paul Read’s narrative begins with a broad picture of the persecution of Catholics in 19th century France. What? Catholics were persecuted? We all know that Catholics persecuted Jews; some savants know that the Catholics were hunted in Elizabethan England, but few are aware of the persecution of Catholics in modern times because it has been hidden from the general public’s view by the twin peaks of the Inquisition and the Holocaust. Or at least it had been until the appearance of Read’s book.
Read tells of terrible persecution during the French revolution, when priests were drowned in droves (it was called “patriotic baptism”), and believers stripped naked, tied together and flung off the boats in what they called “republican marriages.” Monks and nuns were executed en masse. Many priests were interred in “floating Bastilles,” these predecessors of the US prison-ships, or transported to West Africa, “the Guantanamo of its time,” where they quickly died of diseases. This persecution abated only under Napoleon.
This is more or less known. Less known is that this persecution did not cease after the Republic was restored; it simply changed its form. Believing Catholics were not beheaded at the Place de la Concorde, but they were barred from any advancement in their careers, which were thwarted by the Protestants and Jews who formed the anti-Catholic bloc, not only due to their hatred of the Church but in order to defend their own perceived interests. Read writes:
In 1879 a government in which six out of ten members were Protestants… passed laws banning Catholic clergy from teaching in either state or private schools, [though] Jewish and Protestant children continued to receive instruction in their faith… The higher strata of the old bourgeoisie were excluded from power for being Catholic or Royalist or both. The gap they left was filled by Protestants and Jews.
A Jewish prefect could with impunity observe Passover, but a prefect who was openly zealous in observance of Easter might find himself under violent attack. “Taking Easter communion under the Third Republic was an affirmative, even a courageous act; government employees who did so were unlikely to be promoted.”
DreyfusReadThis is the historical background of Dreyfus Affair according to Read: Catholics were denied positions of influence in French society by Protestants and Jews. Catholics were identified as Royalists, while anti-Catholics were Republicans. “Each side had its bogeymen. For the anti-Dreyfusards, it was the Syndicate, the secretive network of world Jewry, for the Dreyfusards it was the Catholic Church, in particular the Jesuits”. Thus the struggle around Dreyfus was not so much about an individual injustice, but about the fate of France. The case was used to purge the Catholics from their last positions in the Army and to intensify the attack on the Church.
Read ponders upon the reasons of hatred to the Church. His explanation is rather weak. In the eyes of public opinion, the Catholic Church was associated with the ancien regime. People were often against the church as the priests tried to forbid girls to dance and would ask intrusive personal questions during confession. He mentions the anti-Catholic attitude of the Jews, but offers no opinion to what extent it influenced events.
Monique Delcroix, author of Dreyfus-Esterhazy (2010, in French) considers the Freemasons the chief enemies of the Church as well as the chief beneficiaries of the anti-Church campaign. Dreyfus Affair led to takeover of France by Freemasons, she says. PP Read does not dwell much on them, though he mentions that Freemasons organised an anti-Catholic cleansing in the Army. He also mentions that the Pope frequently referred to Freemasons as the enemies of the Church being led by Jews. Indeed the Freemason who indulged in depicting the Church as “a black crow sitting on the head of the Gallic cock and tearing his eyes out” happened to be a Jew…
For me, it was surprising to learn that by the beginning of Dreyfus Affair, Jews weren’t persecuted; it’s the Catholics who were underdogs while the Jews were already the top dogs in France. The Catholic position only worsened with its conclusion. The Church was out-manoeuvred, and despite the deep religiosity which still existed in the provinces, the voters always elected an anti-religious government. Read notes that if women were entitled to vote (they weren’t) the result could have been different.
Read describes the defeat of the Church in rich detail. After the 1903 elections, an even more radically anti-Catholic government was democratically elected, and it expelled the priests from the schools and the nuns from hospitals. Nuns worked for free; others had to be paid, but hatred of the Church was stronger than greed. Churches were robbed, monasteries besieged, and repossessed. It is a sad story, which should be learned in order to understand the 20th century and its oppression of the believers virtually everywhere, from Russia to France and from Turkey to Mexico, the world-wide advent of Kali Yuga.
Geopolitics of the Affair
Read, a Catholic, is a good source for understanding the geopolitical aspect of the Dreyfus Affair. He notes that England, the foremost Protestant power, was traditionally anti-Catholic, and so it supported the French Jews who certainly were hostile to the Church. England was as powerful and influential in those days as the US today. Britain then, as the US today, was promoting Kali Yuga for the world.
England made a lot of mileage from the Dreyfus Affair; just like the US now, the British mobilised “the international community” against disobeying France. Anti-Dreyfusards were anti-British, pro-Dreyfusards were for Britain, so it made sense. Interestingly, English Catholics and even non-Catholic Anglo-Irish like GB Shaw were not carried away by pro-Dreyfus propaganda. So, the Anglo-Jewish alliance (which transformed into Jewish-American Entente of our days) began many decades (if not centuries) before the Balfour declaration.
A precursor of Dreyfus affair was the Damascus Affair of 1840, where some Jews were accused of killing a Catholic priest for his blood. In order to save them, prominent and powerful French Jews colluded with England (and English Jews) and undermined France’s positions in Syria. France was humiliated; the pro-French Muhammad Ali was forced to leave Syria and Palestine; and the country reverted to the Ottoman rule.
Many Frenchmen were shocked to realize that French Jews preferred the interests of their brethren in Syria to the interests of their own country. We are not so surprised, because the activity of the Jewish lobby in Washington has accustomed us to the fact that many Jews indeed are ready to sacrifice the interests of their own country for the sake of their Middle Eastern brothers and sisters. For the citizens of 19th century France, this came as a painful surprise. “A victory for the Jews was perceived by many French patriots as a defeat for France, a defeat in which French Jews collaborated with France’s enemies.”
This story is told by Read, as well, but he sees this mainly as a British, rather than a Jewish, victory: Britain decided to protect the Jews, while France protected Catholics and Russia defended the Orthodox. Read is not looking for any theological explanation of Jewish-British connection: he thinks this was opportunism according to the principle of “Britain has no friends, Britain has interests.” British gunboats rather than Jewish pleas chased Muhammad Ali out of Syria and Palestine, as the ruined walls of Acre attest even today.
Regrettably, Read’s narrative omits the most colourful figure of the Damascus Affair, that of Sir Richard Burton, the great British orientalist, translator of the 1001 Nights and Kama Sutra, the British consul in Damascus in 1870s, who was convinced of the truthfulness of the accusations and produced a book on this subject. Still unpublished, his manuscript is tantalizingly kept under lock and key in the coffers of the Board of Deputies of British Jews.
The Dreyfus Affair is an interesting and well-told story, full of colorful personalities which allows the reader to trace the origins of the defeat of the Catholic Church in France, a defeat which is especially relevant to the US Catholics.
The Jewish Angle
For me, the Dreyfus case was an integral part of the Zionist education I received. His “unjust trial” supposedly moved Theodor Herzl to Zionism. In the words of a Jewish historian: “In the ordinary course of [Herzl’s] duties as a correspondent he witnessed the degradation of Captain Alfred Dreyfus of the French General Staff, who had been sentenced on a trumped-up charge of high treason and exiled to a living death on Devil’s Island solely because he was a Jew.” So Dreyfus begot Herzl, and Herzl begot the State of Israel.
I was taught (and perhaps you were, too) that if a Jew was arrested, he’s got to be innocent, and that the real criminals were the anti-Semites. It was good to discover through the medium of Read’s book that Dreyfus was not accused and sentenced just because he was a Jew. There were perfectly good and valid reasons, as valid as in any other security-related case. Read is more than objective, he almost bends over backward to accommodate the Jewish side. Though Read explains the reasons of the judges, he also states (and perhaps overstates) the arguments of the Dreyfus defence team.
It is not that Captain Dreyfus was arrested and sentenced on some flimsy grounds. At this point we should recall the lurid details of the affair. In 1894, the French counter-intelligence had planted a cleaning lady at the apartments of the German military attaché in Paris (the Germans were the greatest enemies of the French anticipating the Great War), and she duly brought home whatever she found in the waste paper basket. PP Read’s writing is full of rich and entertaining details which make this story highly readable. He tells us all about the mustache of the military attaché and about his (bisexual) love affairs and gives the story of the “cleaning lady,” who was quite an accomplished woman and whose greatest accomplishment was that she succeeded in passing for an idiot.
At one point, she brought in a torn piece of paper, which contained a list [“bordereau” in French, as it became known] of military secrets which somebody offered to sell to the attaché. After concluding that the letter could only have been written by a very small group of officers probably connected to the General Staff, the French secret service ran a graphology analysis and concluded that the only person with matching handwriting was an Alfred Dreyfus, a wealthy, well-educated, rather arrogant artillery captain of Alsatian Jewish origin who was on temporary duty on the General Staff. The graphologist came to this conclusion without knowing whose handwriting sample he was asked to examine or whether that person was Jewish.
Among the experts who checked the handwriting was Alphonse Bertillon, the father of modern criminalistics. He confirmed that Dreyfus was the most probable culprit. Albert Lindemann (in his concise The Jew Accused, with just 70 pages relating to Dreyfus) remarks that “[Dreyfus] was one of a small number who had access to [that] kind of information,” and “of that small number, he was the only one whose handwriting resembled that on the [letter]. In fact, to an untrained eye, the resemblance between [Dreyfus] handwriting and that of the [letter] is striking.”
That would be enough to convict a man even today, but there was other supportive evidence as well. French counter-intelligence turned around an Italian diplomat, and he offered some support for Dreyfus’s guilt. There was also a letter to the German military attaché referring to “this rascal D,” and it was considered to point to Dreyfus.
At the trial, a counter-intelligence officer said that they had evidence they couldn’t disclose, namely, the words of a French mole in a foreign embassy implicating Dreyfus. The defence went into uproar, and demanded full disclosure. They never got it: the officer, Colonel Joseph Henry, said the mole’s name (the Italian Count the French had turned) was too sensitive to disclose. PP Read thinks that this precluded a fair trial. However, this is a common feature of security-connected trials in Israel, where the defence – as a rule – is not allowed to view classified evidence. Ditto in terrorist trials in the US, as we learned from the Guantanamo Papers released by Wikileaks: the accused had no idea what they were being accused of.
Nowadays, the accused must consider himself lucky to be tried at all: there are people in Israel, in the US and elsewhere, who spend years in prison on suspicion of security offences but with no evidence admissible in court. In the world of spies and counter-spies, real hard evidence rarely comes up; they have to act upon their suspicions. If they have to go to court, they are as likely as not to falsify evidence and lie.
Alas, it is not unusual to be wrongly suspected or accused of a “security offence.” In Israel, thousands in prisons are only suspects who never have been charged with an offence. What is unusual is to get out of this intact. Read (and other writers) mention that Dreyfus’s accusers forged documents and lied in order to improve their case. Here again, it would make sense to add that it is not unusual for police to invent details, plant evidence, and lie in order to make their case stick. The accusers of Dreyfus were neither better nor worse than our contemporary policemen and security officers. Dreyfus’s defenders also lied and falsified as much as they could, says Lindemann.
We do not know for sure whether some papers were complete forgeries. Colonel Henry was accused of that, arrested, and promptly cut his throat in jail. Mysteriously, the razor he used neatly folded itself after he had slashed his throat with it. To this day no one knows who visited him an hour before his alleged suicide, for the record of the visitor was removed. His alleged admission of the crime was never signed. In his last note, Henry claimed that he had copied, but not forged the letters – as was common before the advent of Xerox photocopiers. While copying he added some details he knew or thought he knew from another source, as copyists of bygone days regularly used to do. Monique Delcroix wrote that “the episode of Colonel Henry is one of the most mysterious in this case. I have not managed to figure it out.”
If Dreyfus didn’t write the incriminating letter, then who did? It has been claimed that the letter was written by another officer, Charles-Ferdinand Esterhazy. He denied the charge and claimed that he had been offered an enormous bribe of 600, 000 francs to take the fall for Dreyfus. Esterhazy, who was tried and found innocent, said that he had communicated with the Germans on the orders of his commanders in order to mislead them. Read notes that Esterhazy, who apparently did communicate with the Germans, never betrayed any real information and never thought that Dreyfus had been sentenced for his, Esterhazy’s, misdeeds. This Esterhazy was a make-believe spy who simply supplied the Germans with open source coverage of the French newspapers and magazines; “chickenfeed”, in spies’ parlance. So Read implies, possibly there was no crime to start with – provided the bordereau was penned by Esterhazy.
This is not perfectly clear: perhaps Esterhazy was not the most efficient German spy, but he certainly was very close to the Jews. He seconded a duel of honour between a Jewish officer and an anti-Semite, on the side of the Jew. He corresponded with Rothschild, and enjoyed his patronage. He wrote to the tycoon that he was ostracized by fellow officers because of him siding with the Jews. Naturally it was rumoured that he was bribed to play a fall guy for Dreyfus. Read, while mentioning all these details, thinks there is nothing in it, and that Esterhazy’s letters to Rothschild were inspired by his opportunism. Monique Delcroix is not so sure about irrelevance of Esterhazy’s contacts with the Jewish community.
Was there a case against Dreyfus? Well, yes. Was he guilty? We do not know and probably never will. He was saved from punishment, but so was OJ Simpson.
Can we be certain that he was innocent? PP Read thinks so. If Read had kept an open mind on this question, he would have written a more interesting book. In the end, there was so much outside interference in the case, it is difficult to decide. “At his retrial, the Prime Minister pressured the military prosecutor and even judges to arrive at not-guilty verdict” (Lindemann). The Defence minister also pushed for Dreyfus. Both sides, Dreyfusards and anti-Dreyfusards believed that “an end justifies the means”. Recently Prof Faurisson and his friends, admittedly no friends of Jews, tried to investigate and re-try Dreyfus, but their conclusion was none other than “doubtful.”
GK Chesterton was a strong believer in the innocence of Dreyfus, but he was swayed, not so much by the facts of the case, but by the unanimous pro-Dreyfus position of the British press. While “there may have been a fog of injustice in the French courts; I know that there was a fog of injustice in the English newspapers,” he wrote and added that he was unable to reach a final “verdict on the individual,” which he came “largely to attribute” to the “acrid and irrational unanimity of the English Press.” He was also astonished by the sincerity of all sides: Dreyfus was sincerely certain of his innocence and his accusers were equally certain of his guilt.
Dreyfus’s supporters (including, most of all, his brother) spent millions of francs (as many dollars today) to set him free. There were a few retrials, but every retrial confirmed the conviction. Still, Dreyfus supporters did not relent, and eventually he was paroled. In order to receive parole he admitted his guilt. Read thinks this admission was a forced and a false one, but it brought a storm of feelings among the parties, and some Dreyfusards became enemies of Alfred Dreyfus because of that.
Jewish Victimhood
Prominent historians do not think that Dreyfus was sentenced because he was a Jew,
not even Jewish historians: Barbara Tuchman, for one, wrote: “The trial of Alfred Dreyfus… was not a deliberate plot to frame an innocent man. It was an outcome of reasonable suspicion….” Albert Lindemann, the most prominent expert on anti-Semitism alive, concluded: “no evidence has ever emerged of an anti-Semitic plot against Dreyfus by intelligence officers, especially not of a premeditated effort to convict someone they knew from the beginning to be innocent.”
PP Read is quite nuanced when answering the question whether Dreyfus was accused because he was a Jew. He says: though he was not accused because he was a Jew, it is not impossible that if he were not a Jew, his accusers would have been more cautious before deciding his fate. Actually Read’s own writing offers a different explanation: Dreyfus was not accused because he was a Jew; he was accused because he was a schmuck. His stiff manners, his aloofness, his arrogant, non-comradely attitude to fellow-officers, as well as his boasting about his money and connections made his accusers less cautious while deciding his fate. His Jewishness was much less important than his arrogance, for other Jews had great military careers in the French Republic, including positions on the General Staff, and they were not customarily accused of spying.
But philosemites walk where Jews fear to tread. The strongest proponent of the Jewish victimhood theory is Umberto Eco. The Italian writer’s book is as biased as a comic strip and about as subtle as his native Commedia dell’Arte. In his story there are villains and there are victims, and all nuances are ignored.
PragueCemeteryFor Eco, Alfred Dreyfus was framed by villainous Jew-haters who manufactured the letter with the deliberate intention of framing an innocent Jew. They do this simply because they hate Jews, even though they knew no Jews personally. These sentiments worthy of Abe Foxman are interspersed with recipes of old French and Italian dishes, along with some loosely connected bits and pieces of pseudo-historical writing. Jews are conspicuously absent from this book, for Jews, in Eco’s view, are just perpetual victims and objects of hostile fantasy by the Gentiles.
Eco is a flaming conspiracy theorist. There is a Mr. Nasty Guy who hates Jews and who wants to make some money out of his hatred. He does not know any Jews; he never met a Jew, but he was told by his grandparents that one should hate Jews. He incidentally hates everybody: women, the Church, Freemasons, revolutionaries, and conservatives. He marches with Garibaldi in Italy, goes to France under Napoleon III, survives the Commune of Paris and makes a living by forging documents and helping the secret services.
He resurrects the ultimate Conspiracy Theory (familiar to the reader from Eco’s older and better book Foucault’s Pendulum). Bad guys meet in a remote place and decide how they should destroy the world in order to control it. This wandering meta-script has been used by Mr. Nasty Guy for years; the only thing that changes are the individual bad guys, whose identities change according to demand. Sometimes it’s the cardinals; sometimes it’s the Freemasons, and sometimes it’s the Jews. Thus he creates the Protocols, as well.
Eco’s narrative of the Dreyfus Affair is brilliantly simple. A French Intelligence officer Esterhazy meets Mr. Nasty and commissions him to forge a document ostensibly written by a Jewish officer Alfred Dreyfus to the German military attaché containing a list of military secrets to be supplied, all that because of his sheer boyish hatred of Jews. (Eco is not aware of Esterhazy’s friendship with Jews). Antisemites are primed to go into action the moment Dreyfus is charged. Nasty is given a sample of Dreyfus’s handwriting and off he goes. And then a comedy of errors ensues: the handwriting sample was really Esterhazy’s. Dreyfus goes off to the Devil’s Island, and the anti-Semites rejoice, until his defenders discover that the handwriting is Esterhazy’s. The anti-Semites then commission more forgeries from Mr. Nasty, but it is too late.
Eco’s book is so improbable that it could be seen as a parody of the Jewish view of history. Despite a wealth of historical trivia, the book lacks substance. His history is made of cardboard; it is a semi-processed mixture of culinary recipes mixed in with a lot of dirt. In Eco’s book, if a Jew is accused, you can bet your bottom dollar that he was framed by vile anti-Semites. I wonder whether the good semiotics doctor was duly rewarded by Messrs. Milken, Rich, Madoff, Pollard et al, for he richly deserves their gratitude.
Jews and anti-Semites
Perhaps the Dreyfus Affair was about the Church; but this is not to say that the Dreyfus affair had no pro- and contra-Jewish partisans. Whenever a Jew is convicted of a crime, people who have a negative view of the Jewish practices do pay attention to the Jewishness of the criminal – just as people who have a positive view are prone to exult in every achievement of a Jew. And Jews certainly were active players in the politics of the time.
Lindemann offers a useful historical background note. The nineteenth century witnessed the rise of Jews, i.e. rapid rise of Jewish influence, wealth, importance, and numbers. Somebody paid for this rise: as in our own day, in the 1850s and ‘60s, free-market policies had a longish run in Europe, and like nowadays, they brought about a stock market collapse, bank bankruptcy, many financial scandals (Enron and Madoff had their predecessors) and eventually a Great Depression, which lasted from the 1870s to the 1890s. Unemployment became a problem then, as now. Liberalism was discredited: it took over a century until people forgot it and ushered in Thatcherism and Reaganomics.
Then as now, Jews were connected with liberalism and financial mismanagement: in many great scandals, including the Panama Affair, they played a major role. They also became quite powerful nationally and internationally, though not as much as some fantasies presume. Lindemann is being cautious when he says: “there are few more prickly issues than that of international power of Jews in modern times, whether one is speaking of the 1860s or the 1980s.”
With rise of liberalism, resistance to Jewish politics began to take organized forms. PP Read draws a portrait of Edouard Drumont, the first modern French anti-Semite: “a widower, shy and self-effacing, a closed personality, very old-fashioned, rather eccentric, introspective, contemplative, scholarly – a kind of secular monk.” Drumont used the Dreyfus affair to spread his message of anti-Semitism, for he believed that France was “occupied by Jews, just like England was enslaved by the Normans under William the Conqueror.” Read could add that Georges Bernanos, a renown French anti-capitalist and anti-fascist Catholic writer, admired Drumont.
Anti-Semitism was (and is) an anti-bourgeois radical movement, and it was not approved of by the upper classes or by senior clergymen. In the words of Le Figaro’s conservative editor, “anti-Semitism is the most dangerous form of socialism; it is a campaign against moneyed classes”. The political achievements of the anti-Semites were rather meager. Still, the ruling bourgeoisie felt threatened by them.
Two camps were formed: anti-Dreyfusards, some of them were radical anti-Semites, while others were Catholics and conservatives, and Dreyfusards, some of whom were Jews, and others, usually anti-clerical republicans. Both could be unpleasant: a typical Dreyfusard was Georges Clemenceau, involved in Panama scandal, identified with British interests; he violently broke strikes and ordered demonstrators to be shot at. Awful, but not worse than an anti-Dreyfusard Charles Maurras who rejected Christ and called for Nietzschean ruthlessness in the Darwinian struggle.
Paradoxically, the Marxists refused to condemn anti-Semitism and were worried that “rehabilitation of one of their class [will cause] rehabilitation of all the Jews among the Panama men. They will wash away all the filth of Israel in this fountain”. This was published in the socialist newspaper La Petite République, and signed by all leading socialists including Jaures.Naturally, vast majority of French people remained oblivious and indifferent to the issue.
Read describes a few interesting personalities on both sides of the divide. Bernard Lazare was a friend of Drumont, (they referred to each other favourably), a Jew very critical of Jews. At a certain point, he reversed his position and began to fight anti-Semitism. He was one of the first Dreyfusards who said that Dreyfus was imprisoned because he was a Jew. His conversion was so complete and sudden that many people who knew him thought he was bought by the Dreyfus family to serve as a liaison with intellectuals.
Emile Zola, the writer who turned the tide with his J’accuse, is depicted as a quite unpleasant man, quarreling with other authors. Goncourt called him “a false, shifty, hypocritical creature, an Italian, yes, an Italian!” Marcel Proust joined the Dreyfusard cause, and his father was so annoyed with that decision that he did not speak to him for a week.
If anti-Semites hadn’t used the Dreyfus case as a pretext to attack Jews, the Dreyfusards would most probably have never come into existence, since practically everybody, including Bernard Lazare and Theodor Herzl, were convinced that Dreyfus was really guilty. The attacks on Jews woke up their fighting spirit, and eventually they won their great victory. Or, perhaps, this was the victory of the Freemasons? Who used whom? This question of “dog and tail” still remains unanswered.
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  1. […] As for media, the present concentration of almost all mass media in Jewish hands began in France of 19th century, where Jews formed a conspiracy to own and control media and they used it with great success against the Church during the Third Republic, notably in connection with Dreyfus Affair. (I previously wrote about it in a review). […]
  2. Karl says:     
    > Catholic [clergy] were identified as Royalists
    if we add my caveat… was that not essentially true?
    It’s not a rhetorical question: I just haven’t studied much French history.
  3. SolontoCroesus says:     
    @5371
    “In the early 1890s two Jewish bankers of German origin, Cornelius Herz and Baron Jacques de Reinach, were accused of the wholesale bribery of politicians in connection with the Panama Canal Company; the project was in severe difficulties, and the bribes had been related to the granting of a permit for a lottery to raise extra funds in 1888. The company collapsed anyway, and three quarters of a million French investors lost their investment. .. . .Accused of corruption in late November 1892, de Reinach was targeted by Drumont, as well as by Maurice Barre’s newspaper La Cocarde, as epitomizing the link between Jewish subversion, capitalism and the evils of Republican parliamentarianism. De Reinach committed suicide, while Herz fled to exile in England. . . .
    “Jews could be cast as immoral capitalists; yet they could also be seen as dangerous advocates of revolution. . . .the association of socialism with Marx — a German Jewish import — and the growing prevalence of Jewish activists within the working class movement strengthened fears of an internationale of Jewish revolutionaries bent on subversion. This negative portrait was strengthened when Eastern European Jews – unassimilated and often deeply religious — arrived from Russia after a wave of pogroms between 1881 and 1884. . . .
    “Scheurer-Kestner [Catholic and an ardent French patriot who viewer Germans as Barbaric, but who was convinced of Dreyfus's innocence] was urged on by Joseph Reinach . . .of German stock [and] the eldest son of the fabulously wealthy Frankfurt banker Hermann-Joseph Reinach . . .[was] contacted by Bernard Lazare in August 1896 and quickly became one of Dreyfus’s most energetic supporters. But, while Scheurer-Kestner was eulogized, Reinach was slandered. From the moment of Dreyfus’s arrest, Drumont reminded his readers of the central role Joseph’s father-in-law and uncle, Baron de Reinach, had played in the Panama Canal Scandal. . . .
    Reinach was a parliamentary deputy, but association with the scandal had destroyed his chances of ministerial office; he was able to throw himself into the Affair because he no longer needed to make the political calculations necessary to protect his career. His family connection, however, meant that he could not from the movement — hence his approach to Scheurer-Kestner and determination to make this establishment politician take on the role he could not adopt himself.”
    Scheurer-Kestner believed he could resolve the conflict quickly through behind-the-scenes bureaucratic means and was eager to do so. Reinach was in the vanguard of those who “championed the Jewish captain not because they had clear proof of his innocence, but because they believed the Jesuits were responsible for his conviction;” they worked to enflame and perpetuate the conflict in order to bring down the Jesuits and Catholicism in France. Through gestures of false friendship, Reinach manipulated Scheurer-Kestner to his anti-Catholic and anti-Jesuit agenda, which meant Dreyfus’s imprisonment was prolonged.
    – Ruth Harris, “Dreyfus, Politics, Emotion, and the Scandal of the Century.”
  4. Kiza says:     
    @Wizard of Oz
    Most spies do it for a different proportion of:
    1) money
    2) trills (self importance) and
    3) ideology.
    Personally, I would estimate the confidence of Dreyfus’ guilt instead of deciding yes/no simply because the factual elements are in a complex mix. Again, my personal feeling is at about 70% confidence of guilty.
    From the submitted descriptions, Dreyfus was quite arrogant and self-important, why would he not take revenge on the others who rejected him by spying – I am smarter than all of you!
    Besides, the issue of Dreyfus’ guilt is secondary to the value of this case as an early prototype of the modern power struggles, including the Trump’s. In other words, it was much more interesting how and why the public intellectuals took sides in this case and what they wrote as their arguments.
  5. Anonymous says:     
    Probably the most interesting figure connected to the so-called “Damascus Affair” of 1840 was the immensely powerful and supposed Rothschild grand vizier Moses Montefiore.
    Montefiore stage-managed the entire campaign to free the Jews accused of killing the Catholic priest from his home in England. It was he who arranged the trips of Jews to Damascus meant to put pressure on the government there on behalf of the accused. It was he who directed the huge media campaign in the European press on behalf of these men. He was also the one who led the campaign to put extreme pressure on the English government to support these men.
    Montefiore efforts seem to have ended up being successful since the accused were never tried. This must put the Vatican very much on edge since it meant that the killing of a priest could essentially go unpunished if enough pressure could be applied.
    The Damascus Affair had a profound effect in England because Montefiore was able to use it almost singlehandedly bring to a dead stop to the so-called Jewish Englightment reform movement (the “Haskalah”) in England and much of the rest of Europe as well. It is still the primary reason that Reform Judaism never achieved the widespread prominence in the UK that it eventually achieved in the United States. Even today most temple attending Jews in England are Orthodox not Reform as is the case in the US, specifically because of Montefiore’s efforts.
  6. SolontoCroesus says:     
    @Kiza
    a. Mostly AGREE with Kiza –
    the issue of Dreyfus’ guilt is secondary to the value of this case as an early prototype of the modern power struggles, including the Trump’s. In other words, it was much more interesting how and why the public intellectuals took sides in this case and what they wrote as their arguments.
    or, to paraphrase the Saker:
    It was about the bankers and Jewish ideologues who fiercely hated Catholic-Christian prominence in France and took advantage of a situation — even exacerbated the conflict far beyond its actual harms — to tear down those age-old cultural institutions.
    b. Quibble with Kiza’s assessment that Dreyfuss was “an early prototype of the modern power struggle . . .”
    I’ve been reading E Michael Jones’s The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, particularly his overview of Jews in Poland, over a span of about 700 years.
    Most interesting about Jones’s work is the extent of its reliance on “the first modern Jewish historian,” Heinrich Graetz: this reliance insulates Jones against the charge of antisemitism.
    Graetz, a German Jew who wrote in German, was deeply disdainful of Polish Jewish deep involvement in Kabalah, with attendant study and practice of deceptive and hair-splitting forms of argument. Rabbi Henry Abramson validates this interpretation of Graetz’s history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqeRpiVQ-9Y
    As the quoted passages, above, from Ruth Harris’s biography of the Dreyfuss affair notes,
    “Jews could be . . . be seen as dangerous advocates of revolution. . . .the association of socialism with Marx . . . and the growing prevalence of Jewish activists within the working class movement strengthened fears of an internationale of Jewish revolutionaries bent on subversion. This negative portrait was strengthened when Eastern European Jews – unassimilated and often deeply religious — arrived from Russia after a wave of pogroms between 1881 and 1884.”
    Through a series of 18th and 19th century partitions, by 1881-1884 much of Poland had become Russia; thus the “unassimilated Eastern European Jews” brought with them to France (as also to Germany in the same period) many of the negative traits that Graetz himself ascribed to Polish Jews, and that had become deeply ingrained over centuries of practice.
    Thus, the Dreyfuss case was not so much “an early prototype of the modern power struggles,” but rather the enactment of a well-rehearsed pattern.
    To observe in real-time how correct Kiza is in stating that that “the Trump” power struggles mirror those power struggles, tune into the Senate confirmation hearings for the ambassador to Israel; observe how American political leaders put Israel’s interests unconditionally above those of the American people, just as Jones details how Polish landowners, monarchs and nobility willing surrendered their own interests to those of Polish Jewish arendators.
    Joseph Lieberman’s testimony is a case in point: it just happened, by extraordinary coincidence! , Lieberman avers, that when Lieberman left the Senate he became a partner in the law firm of David Friedman, “a fine and upstanding, highly professional bankruptcy lawyer.”

    I’ve changed my mind/mantra: USA is not so much “Weimar;” USA today is 19th century Jewish Poland — Weimar was much the same.
  7. jacques sheete says:     
    What? Catholics were persecuted?
    Speaking of anti-Catholic bigotry, I was reminded of this which contains some interesting and timely considerations even if slightly off-topic.
    Down in South Carolina the Minute Men of South Carolina have sprung into being to save the State and its schools for Protestantism. They have discovered that despite the present percentage restriction of immigration we are “the dumping ground for vast hordes of ignorant and illiterate, and in many cases criminal, peoples from Roman Catholic countries.”
    Why, ask the Minute Men, is it impossible to secure adequate laws to prevent these evils and to stop these immigrants from “enjoying the fruits of our ancestors’ sacrifices and labors while we, the rightful inheritors, are being gradually forced out of many of the chances of livelihood because we cannot live and compete with this motley scum?” Their answer, of course, is that a small minority “well-organized and generaled” is “trying to make this nation Roman Catholic.”
    Editorials, Our Own Secret Fascisti, The Nation, November 15, 1922, p. 514
  8. JamesG says:     
    Many priests were interred in “floating Bastilles,” these predecessors of the US prison-ships …
    I know the British put American POWs on prison-ships during the Revolution but I did not know “the US” ran any such vessels.
  9. Uebersetzer says:     
    Every book I have ever read on the subject assumes Dreyfus was innocent, though they admit he was not universally popular even among people who were not anti-Semites and who believed in his innocence.
    The case exposed deep fault lines in French society. A famous cartoon by Caran d’Ache showed a bourgeois French family eating a pleasant dinner while the head of the house says not to discuss the Dreyfus case. In the next frame everyone is fighting. The caption says, “They talked about it.”
    One prominent anti-Dreyfusard was walking with a friend in a park when they were approached by a startlingly inarticulate gentleman who congratulated him on fighting the good fight against Dreyfus. After the latter went away, the anti-Dreyfusard remarked to his friend, “Why is it that all the idiots are on our side?”
  10. edNels says:     
    @jacques sheete
    How does anti birth control figure in? If they can have the brats to age 6, you can have ‘em back after that, the mold is set.
    Population growth is a weapon too, even if you put guns in their hands, and form up armies, its numbers of ”boots on the ground” that… and that might include hordes of refugees/migrants.
  11. cynic says:     
    There’s also the claim that Dreyfus was set up by Rothschild to produce the result that was achieved:
  12. Alden says:     
    @jacques sheete
    FKA MAX makes comments on unz all the time. He repeats the same thing, Hispanic immigration is an evil plot by the Vatican to destroy Protestantism in America with Hispanic Catholics.
    Poor fool, FKA MAX thinks America it is still the same Protestant nation it was in 1817 but under siege by the Vatican army of Hispanics
    He refuses to acknowledge that the Hispanic invasion is a plot by every employer in Anerica and they care not what religion their cheap illegal labor is
    Kevin MacDonalds Occidental Observer has lots of extremely anti Catholic comments that are far worse than the anti Semitic comments
  13. Wizard of Oz says:     
    @5371
    Did he? That’s certainly a potentially good explanation but can you tell me which book or other source confirms that?
  14. Alden says:     
    @Karl
    I have studied a great deal of French history. The answer is no, the clergy were not royalist. After tens of thousands of them were slaughtered during the revolution, they were scrupulous about staying out of politics.
    They were however, pro worker, pro children and anti exploitive capitalism, financial fraud etc.
    FYI the French revolutionaries set up Cayenne, Devils island and the other penal islands as prisons for priests.
    It was a death penalty offense to be a catholic priest, monk, or nun during the revolution
    The younger priests were able to hide out in the forests, live off the land and continue to take care of the parishes
    But the nuns and older priests were captured and guillotined in public. It didn’t look well to see white haired old men and nun nurses from the local hospitals guillotined so they were shipped off to die on Devils island.
    Before Devils Island the revolutionaries would put the clergy on old barges, chain them together, knock holes in the barges, tow them out to the river or harbor and let them drown.
    After Nantes harbor and numerous rivers became blocked by these barges and bodies the revolutionaries came up with the idea of Devils island
    Want a source? Learn to read French and get a card at a good university library
  15. Wizard of Oz says:     
    @Kiza
    That sounds like a pretty judicious assessment to me who isn’t knowledgeable about the specifics.. Occasionally one should risk a compliment like that on UR, say when Valentine’s Day has disappointed if one needs an excuse… :-)
  16. Wizard of Oz says:     
    @cynic
    I haven’t read the link but the idea that any of the heavyweight Rothschilds would have put attacking the French Catholic traditionalists on his serious agenda boggles the mind.
  17. Yevardian says:     
    @Israel Shamir
    “If anti-Semites hadn’t used the Dreyfus case as a pretext to attack Jews, the Dreyfusards would most probably have never come into existence, since practically everybody, including Bernard Lazare and Theodor Herzl, were convinced that Dreyfus was really guilty.”
    Do you have a source for Herzl’s privately believing he was guilty? I’m very curious about this. From what I recall, Herzl didn’t place any importance on his Jewishness until quite late in his life.
  18. jacques sheete says:     
    @JamesG
    If I remember correctly, the Bolshies, among other horrendous crimes, filled barges with clergy and then sunk them too. Later, Stalin used some of the ships given to him by the US to transport slaves to such labor camps as Kolyma.
    I may need to get this book…
    Stalin’s Slave Ships: Kolyma, the Gulag Fleet, and the Role of the West
    By Martin J. Bollinger
  19. jacques sheete says:     
    @edNels
    How does anti birth control figure in?
    Dunno.
    I just thought that the immigration issue was interesting in that the same anti-immigration rhetoric was used in 1922 as is used today and today the anti-Muslim demagoguery has replaced the anti-Catholic baloney.
  20. Priss Factor says:     
    How times have changed.
    Today, Arnon Milchan can admit he illegally passed secrets to Israel, but no one touches him.
    And even Jonathan Pollard got sprung from prison and was given a nice plum job.
    As for the war criminals under Clinton, Bush, and Obama, they get away with everything.
    But Flynn had to GO because he’s a bad bad man.
    A truly sick society .
  21. Kiza says:     
    @SolontoCroesus
    Love reading your well resourced comments. I fully agree that:
    the Dreyfuss case was … rather the enactment of a well-rehearsed pattern.
    But to explain what I meant by: “…an early prototype of the modern power struggles…” , by modern I meant post-Gutenberg, early mass-media times when intellectualism became available for mass consumption and the institution of public opinion has been created. Otherwise, I have no doubt that the Jewish “revolutionary spirit” has very old, probably ancient roots (pre-Roman times?). 700 years ago most power action would have been in, at and around the royal court, instead of the court of public opinion. Perhaps, the prominent Jews understood the power of the new development better than others and quickly learned how to manipulate and harness this public opinion for their own purposes (i.e. invested their money into it). This is why nowadays main public media in the West are controlled by the Jewish interests, unfortunately those most extreme in their revolutionary spirit.
    In other words, in Dreyfus case “the enactment of a well-rehearsed pattern” has been done by new, almost contemporary means.
    … observe how American political leaders put Israel’s interests unconditionally above those of the American people, just as Jones details how Polish landowners, monarchs and nobility willing surrendered their own interests to those of Polish Jewish arendators …
    yes, excellent parallel. I will go find Jones’ book, thanks for the reference.
  22. Anon says:     
    @Wizard of Oz
    Why? French traditionalism wasn’t the dead dog it is today. (eg) If the Pope hadn’t shot down Maurras he would’ve had a very good chance at power.
  23. Seraphim says:     
    Was not Celine right when he said (wrote): « le capitaine Dreyfus est bien plus grand que le capitaine Bonaparte. Il a conquis la France et l’a gardée »(captain Dreyfus is greater than captain Bonaparte. He conquered France and kept her)?
    All the contortions of Eco were meant to show that the Protocols were the fabrication of the eternal anti-Semitic conspiracy.
    Interesting that Shamir quotes Guenon. His book “The Reign of Quantity & the Signs of the Times” should be mandatory reading.
  24. 5371 says:     
    @Wizard of Oz
    It was widely rumoured at the time; see, for example, Monique Delcroix’s book on the affair.
  25. Wizard of Oz says:     
    @Anon
    Well that’s a logical argument but I still see the Rothschilds as heavily assimilated to Western Enlightenment values and socially part of the upper classes of Western Europe so I would need convincing, based on a lot more knowledge than I have about France, that a Rothschild would bother to do anything murky like setting up the Dreyfus affair, even if they were good at that, at that level, rather than, say, subsidise a newspaper or just get on with promoting the Zionist dream. The last was, after all, an innocent enough dream for most I guess. It was not blindness or wickedness to fail to see that creating a bustling Jewish led economy in part of the Ottoman Empire where there were few people living on low productivity activities was going to be such a disaster. (Still looking like a disaster I concede but maybe not in 100 years time. BTW a friend has just sent me a pair of emails one of which opined that Trump had outfoxed Netanyahu with the master stroke of withdrawing somewhat from the two state position of the US hitherto and the other of which asked for odds on their being a civil war in Israel within 10 years….)
  26. TheRock says:     
    Here’s a good analysis of the real forces behind the Dreyfus affair:
    Not for the faint of heart. Only for those who can handle the truth.
  27. MB says: • Website     
    Huh? No mention at all of the Bartholomew’s Day Massacre in 1572 and the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685 which broke the Huguenot/protestant church in France a century before the French Revolution, during which the Jacobins paid the Roman Catholics back in their own coin.
    IOW maybe karma really is a witch and there are more than a few in the closet that our witch hunter ignores.
  28. Anon says:     
    @MB
    Coligny was a real SOB (pardon) and deserved what he got. Things got out of hand, but the French Protestants, who were in many though not all cases a nasty bunch (vide the Camisards) were hardly lambs led to the slaughter.
  29. Seraphim says:     
    @MB
    The St. Barthelemy’s (night) Massacre was ‘pay back in the Huguenot own coin’. The Huguenots were the fanatical iconoclast revolutionaries who first brutally attacked the Catholics, priests, monks, nuns, monasticism, images, destroying church buildings, ancient relics and texts, exhuming and burning bodies of saints, spitting on images of the Christ, desecrating the Eucharist (very much like the ISIS in recent times). The atrocities committed (very much like their counterpart in Henry VIII’s or later in Cromwell’s England) did not endear the Huguenots to the still largely Catholic mass of the French. That led to the Wars of religion in France.
    The Jacobins only resumed the interrupted work of the Huguenots.
  30. Jake says:     
    @Alden
    Your final 2 sentence paragraph makes me think about the kinds of facts and ideas that rarely get translated into English. They tend to be things that might lead people to understand the world in ways that do not march in lock step with the standard English vision.
  31. Jake says:     
    @Seraphim
    When he was in the process of leaving behind his Marxist atheism and entering the Catholic Church, historian Eugene Genovese wrote an essay in which he noted that the little Commie college students of his undergrad days in NYCm, many of them Jewish, saw Cromwell and the Puritans as great role models and even as necessary precursors to Modern atheist revolutions and revolutionary groups.
    I think that assessment is correct, as is yours about French Huguenots.
    It should come as no real shock to anyone who knows the importance of genetic heritage and resulting cultural proclivities that much of the source, especially its most violently revolutionary strands, of French Protestantism came from the lands of Catharism’s great strength.
  32. Cicatrizatic says:     
    @Kiza
    Here is a great one-hour discussion with Jones on his book:
  33. geokat62 says:     
    We are not so surprised, because the activity of the Jewish lobby in Washington has accustomed us to the fact that many Jews indeed are ready to sacrifice the interests of their own country for the sake of their Middle Eastern brothers and sisters.
    Had these words come out of my mouth, both Sam and iffen would’ve been all over me. Instead, silence…
  34. Seraphim says:     
    @Jake
    @ the lands of Catharism’s great strength.
    Which were also the lands of Judaism greatest strength. What was the Occitania (Languedoc, Aquitaine, Toulousain, Provence). Anyone slightly familiar with French history knows that the Languedoc was the home of “numerous and prosperous Jewish communities” at least since the 6th Century AD, but an “era of great prosperity for the Jews of Languedoc set in with the accession of the Carlovingian dynasty… Pepin the Short conceded them the right of enjoying hereditary allodial tenure; and this right was respected by all the Carlovingians, in spite of the protests of some of the clergy. Large communities possessing synagogues and important commercial establishments existed at Béziers, Carcassonne, Lodève, Lunel, Mende, Montpellier, Narbonne, Nîmes, Pamiers, Posquières, Saint-Gilles, and Toulouse….*
    Take for example the history of Machir of Narbonne:
    “A Babylonian scholar who settled in Narbonne, France, at the end of the eighth century and whose descendants were for many generations the leaders of that important community. According to a tradition preserved by Abraham ibn Daud in his “Sefer ha-Ḳabbalah,” Machir was a descendant of the house of David. He was sent to Narbonne by the calif Harun al-Rashid at the request of Charlemagne, who, it is said, received the Babylonian scholar with great honor, conferred upon him and his descendants the title of “king of the Jews,” and gave him a section of the city of Narbonne. Although this relation between Machir and Charlemagne is probably legendary, it is a fact that the Machir family enjoyed for centuries many privileges and that its members bore the title of “nasi” (prince). Benjamin of Tudela, who visited Narbonne in 1165, speaks of the exalted position occupied by the descendants of Machir, and the “Royal Letters” of 1364 (Doat Collection, pp. 53 et seq., 339-353) also record the existence of a Jewish “king” at Narbonne. The place of residence of the Machir family at Narbonne was designated in official documents as “Cortada Regis Judæorum” (Saige, “Hist. des Juifs du Languedoc,” p. 44). Machir is said to have founded a Talmudical school there which vied in greatness with those of Babylonia and which attracted pupils from many distant points”.
    The privileges bestowed upon them by the Carolingians were so exorbitant that led to the reaction of the ‘obscurantist’ clergy (see the ‘De Insolentia Judeorum’ of Agobard Bishop of Lyon)
    There were shocking conversion to Judaism (the case of Bodo, the chaplain of Louis the Pious who went to Spain and converted there, actively fighting against Spanish Christians, who asked aid of the king of the Franks).
    More to the point of the origins of Catharism:
    “The good-will of the counts of Toulouse displayed itself far beyond mere toleration; they even entrusted the Jews with important public offices. Raymond V. about 1170 appointed a Jew as bailiff in his domain of Saint-Gilles, and, with the exception of the counts of Montpellier, his example was followed by many other counts and barons. The nomination of Jews to public offices in the dominions of the viscounts of Béziers and Carcassonne was a common occurrence under Viscount Roger II. and his successor Raymond Roger.
    The crusade against the Albigenses at the beginning of the thirteenth century brought a great reaction in the condition of the Jews of Languedoc. Accused by the clergy of having fostered among the Christians a spirit of rebellion against the Church, oppressive laws were enacted against them in the various councils. At that held at Saint-Gilles in 1209 Raymond VI. was compelled to swear that in the future neither he nor his vassals would entrust public or private offices to Jews; and, except at Narbonne, where Jews served as brokers until 1306, this oath was strictly observed in the territory of the counts of Toulouse”.
    But you will ask about the Templars. That would be too long a story. I’ll give just a hint:
    “Benveniste is the surname of an old, noble, rich, and scholarly Jewish family of Narbonne, France and northern Spain from the 11th century. The family was present in the 11th to the 15th centuries in Provence, France, Barcelona, Aragon and Castile’ Spain. Family members received honorary titles from the authorities and were members of the administration of the kingdom of Aragon and Castile. They were the Baillie (“Bayle”) – the Tax Officer and Treasurer, Alfaquim – Senior Advisor to the King and Royal Physician in Barcelona and Aragon in the 12th and 13th centuries.
    They held the title of “Nasi” (prince in Hebrew), a name given to members of the House of David, in the Jewish communities (mainly Barcelona) and were prominent religious and secular leaders in the 11th to the 14th centuries. In the 14th to the 15th century they held the titles of “de la Cavalleria”—”of the knights” (a name given by the Templars to their treasurers and tax collectors) and Don—a noble person in Aragon and Castile.
    After the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492 they were dispersed mainly to Portugal, Greece – Salonica other parts of the Turkish Empire and North African countries. In Portugal they were forced to convert to Christianity in 1497 and became one of the rich traders and bankers (the Mendes family) of Europe” (@https://www.geni.com/projects/Benveniste-Family/18534).
    But if we talked about Templars we cannot pass over the well-established fact that the creator of the higher grades of Free Masonry in America, Etienne Morin of ‘Israelite confession’ was born in Cahors and lived in Bordeaux wherefrom he moved to Jamaica.
    *all quotations are from the ‘Jewish Encyclopedia’ on-line unless indicated otherwise.
  35. Ivan says:     
    @Seraphim
    One remarkable attribute of Protestant propaganda that I’ve come to notice more and more, is that they leave the Communists far behind in that department. In their attempts to denigrate the Church, they have to claim that the Catholic Church was incapable of reform and had to be thrown out root and branch. Thus their apologetics consist in claiming that before them all was darkness in Europe and any moves by the Church to change its methods was only to cover its tracks. In this they match up with Muslims who similarly claim that before them all was ‘jahaliya’ or under the veil of ignorance.